Roll Call: Andrea, Lida and Mark

Mark’s Notes: Our beloved friend, Paul Helfrich in Castaic California had sent me an email detailing three questions that he wanted me to ask Kris. The questions were based on the material that Kris had delivered the previous Monday and earlier. I read the questions aloud to Andrea and Lida who both thought that the questions were extremely well thought out. We all agreed that the first question potentially could take weeks if not months to properly answer.

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7:40 PM

KRIS: Welcome again. A most pleasant evening. Now we believe that you have some questions from a far off land.

MARK: Yes, would you like me to repeat them?

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: The first one and for the record these are from Paul Helfrich, he says:

Question #1 - "Hi Kris. You recently mentioned 17 or so clans or clusters of consciousness that relate to, among other things, Seth’s and Elias’ families of consciousness. If I understand you so far, the “families” are one clan or cluster. You also made a distinction between inner selves and higher selves, and it seems to me that you're beginning to outline a map of the "higher selves" region of consciousness as it relates to our physical experience. Will you please provide specific names or zones or regions or tone for these clans or clusters? And detail each one?"

<pause>

MARK: Question number two?

KRIS: The first question may have to wait as it will take some of your time to extrapolate.

MARK: Yes, we predicted that. < laughter> Question number two:

Question #2 - "Within the "families of consciousness" concept, Seth says he belongs to Sumari intention. Elias says he belongs to Sumafi intention (as they express themselves in our physical system). What families do you (Kris), Serge, and Mark belong to?

And then, as a follow up, Elias makes a distinction that Seth didn't, and not because one is wrong and the other right, but more that Seth laid a foundation and Elias has built upon it. That is, Elias' refinement claims that our inner self region BELONGS TO one of the nine family intents, and EACH focus personality ALIGNS WITH a family intent. What's your perspective on these matters?

And then perhaps we can tackle both the second and third question as one discussion since it would fall under the precepts that we have been dealing with up to now".

KRIS: Certain things have to be tied together here and it must be understood that our description of the Nine Sisters do not pertain or relate specifically to nine families of consciousness though the elements of the Nine Sisters themselves may be easily identified through the various families of consciousness. Do you understand?

Now, another item that needs to be brought out is that in the Seth material there is a brief discussion on a specific topic that was not necessarily developed to any great length. In fact in many places in the Seth material this has been a pattern and it was specifically done to bring about further discussions by others whose melodious voice would carry this song of consciousness. Do you follow?

Yes.

One such topic is referred to by Seth as “Life Clouds” or “Dream Clouds”. These contain in a certain way the raw, psychic psychological and intentional elements that are used through the intents of the families of consciousness as they pertain to the construction and the manifestation of consciousness into matter through your physical reality, through physical reality as you know it. Elias also defines that the nine families of consciousness are as appropriate to physical reality as you know it.

Now, what we are presenting through these clans or clusters of consciousness takes it into the realm as what Seth describes as Life or Dream Clouds that contain the elements through which planes and dimensions and worlds are seeded, are created and this has nothing to do with the chemical composites as you understand it or even the elements of air, water, earth and fire but rather the pure psychological energy based elements which are not identifiable through your table of elements as in chemistry for instance. They have nothing to do with that.

These elements are of such nature that they can not produce by themselves unless there is an intervention of another kind of intent, if you will a sort of or type of filter that gives a particular direction, a nudge, molds that energy for a specific intent and this is where the families of consciousness come into play. Do you follow so far?

As we have suggested we will not get into the naming. That will take some time but the source selves or the essence does indeed pertain to specific families and the focus personality, the selves that you know in the physical term also align with a particular intent of its own thereby creating not only a juxtaposition [placed side by side or close together] but a compliment which gives a unique address from which you function in the physical world.

For instance, our own primary alignment is also Sumafi. We will design secondary and tertiary alignments. Our own secondary is Sumari and tertiary alignment is Milumet.

MARK: How do you spell that?

KRIS: You have to look it up in the book, we believe that it is spelled M I L U M E T. This is for our own purposes. Now Joseph’s and your own are slightly different because you function also with focus personality intent. Your own selves are driven by value fulfillment within certain areas. Joseph’s for instance also aligns with Sumari BUT also with Gramada as a secondary adjunct and a tertiary adjunct with Tumold.

We view this in this manner: All individuals have more than one social function. For instance, an individual may spend most of his day as “management in the government”. Whilst he is not in that capacity, functioning, then he is both husband and father at home. Each one fits perfectly in his reality, do you understand?

(Yes, very much).

And you for instance [pointing at Mark (Philip)] have a primary essence also Milumet, secondary adjunct Vold and tertiary adjunct Gramada. These give your personalities a great deal of leeway and none of these primary, secondary, tertiary are fixed in stone. (spoken slowly and loudly). You may also change your adjunct by the intent that you bring forth at different times in your life but these are the three primes at this point. Do you understand? [Pointing at Mark].

MARK: Yes I do.

KRIS: This is how we understand, divide and explore the values inherent in each of these passages. Now to bring that back to the clusters of consciousness, your own primary, secondary, tertiary adjuncts interpret specific meaning to the power and the raw elements of consciousness as these different clusters each express and all of the nine families of consciousness as such belong to one cluster. Each cluster having its own associations of families of consciousness, not that the nine families of consciousness related to your physical reality experience are specifically bound to that one cluster. There may also be exchanges within depending on the needs, the conditions and the circumstances of consciousness. Does that make some sense to you?

Now if we were to name your specific clustering we would indeed refer to it as the TAAJ. If you need a spelling it could be T double A, J.

MARK: As in the Taj Mahal?

KRIS: Now Netjer for instance represents one of the consciousness elements recombined with its own unique perceptions within the TAAJ. Do you follow?

So that will give Paul much food for thought. As we hinted at previously, these clusters are represented and interpreted in different fashions. Last session we associated them in one physical representation as many of the far off galaxies that are barely perceived, are settled on the outskirts of the known universe. Do you remember?

We also associated some of their elements with some of the very ancient and primordial gods and goddesses, those that give of themselves the very raw elements that make the forms and the matter of your world such as the night and the day, the Earth and the fire and the moon and the light, the creatures, the forms and the beings. Do you understand?

They may also represent in your world other aspects of consciousness, mixed in with your own but rarely seen or even understood as having any sentience at all but your perspective mechanism, your inner and outer senses and your critical facilities, your beliefs, your convictions, your intentions, etc. help sculpt consciousness into specific forms.

These are also extensions of the consciousness elements within clusters through the families through various aspects such as the Nine Sisters, through your personality blueprints, a structure of your personality, that in turn takes that energy even further, gives it even more specific definition, character and so on and so forth. And still you are each yourselves, each extensions, associated processes of consciousness, along this line that enables further and further exploration of consciousness into matter which includes the events and conditions and circumstances of life as well as all the other elements found within it.

Whether we describe nine sisters, nine families, clusters of consciousness and so on and so forth and assign them the specific areas or departments and so on and so forth, these definitions by themselves are merely to give you a specific reference point and hopefully trigger remembrance of your own roots, of your spiritual ancestry so to speak. Do you follow?

Now will that cover Paul’s two questions?

Mark: I believe so. If not I am sure that he can ask further questions later.

Indeed. Now we will take a small break.

8:02 PM Break Starts

Mark’s notes: While typing this transcript, I misspelled Milumet. I put a double T on the end by mistake. I noticed that Microsoft Word underlined it in red and when I went back and corrected it, it was no longer in red. I then went back and looked at all of the names of the nine families of consciousness and noticed that even though these are NOT words found in the dictionary ( I checked), they are found in Microsoft’s dictionary. One has to wonder if one or more of the individuals that compiled the MS dictionary were Sethians. If this is the case, it is too bad that these Sethians weren’t involved in the creation of MS Windows because then maybe it would be more user friendly.

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8:18 PM

KRIS: Now do keep in mind that these families, these clusters are not a religion that you join, nor a group or club that you belong to by acquiring a membership. You are a member due to deep seated psychological drives and intents within your own self, quite different from the qualities that you assign yourselves through your characteristics for instance. They still provide the raw elements upon which your own personalities relate and characteristics that emerge from which you sculpt or carve your physical world and your experiences within that world. That also provides you with a wide spectrum of possibilities for you are not eternally wed to any one specific family or clan.

You are participants in a manner in which your intent aligns you with theirs, thus providing further tools. These gestalts all function in support of each other, one building upon the capacities of the other, enabling each and every one of you to be able to tap into vast reserves or reservoirs of energy. We have said many times for instance that you are never truly bereft of tools. This doesn’t only apply to some of the critical faculties and intelligence factors within your brain or even your mind but transformative tools of intent that give meaning and value and fulfillment to your journey through time and space as you know it today.

And each of your own selves has access in their own fashion to all of the same banks of energy that you have and each of your own selves may have its own slightly different alignment still within your broad focus of your primary purpose. If you consider for instance when you use a graphics program on the computer, in order to manipulate color, in order to [then] print color, you need to use the basic color slides of CMYK. These slides allow you to play with the four primary color slides available through the computer, creating an unlimited number of shades of a whole spectrum of colors. Do you understand?

Thus you are able to combine and recombine many of the inner characteristics, the drives, the desires, the intents to achieve various goals, the more that you make yourself aware of this innate capability that the more you can realize on your own that regardless of the situation that you find yourself into, you have the means and the abilities to still continue making your choices, changing the direction of the momentum that you have just released and so on and so forth, giving you a great deal of tools and resources all at your disposal.

For instance, both of you [pointing at Andrea and her mother Lida] have many similarities and differences and you have surmised already that your lives are similar and complimentary and complimentary in a fashion that allows sufficient differences for each of you to grow. Do you understand?

Both of your primary source is Ilda in the families of consciousness with a secondary adjunct of Vold and a tertiary adjunct of Tumold and that you combined them in a slightly different manner, focusing on characteristics that make you both different and unique and yet share so many things. Do you understand?

Andrea and Lida in unison: YES.

And even though both of you have such similarities, primary, secondary and tertiary still you are not twins. You functions separately, individually and you play off each other. Does that make sense to you?

Nodding in unison: Uh huh.

MARK: Are you guys each other’s best friend?

LIDA: Yes.

KRIS: We could say that Andrea’s tertiary focus or adjunct flashes off of your [pointing at Lida] secondary and your secondary flashes off her primary, that way you are able to obtain a free flowing relationship so that there are conflicts of growth for growth, not against it. So you exert a certain tension between the two of you but it is meant for growth. Do you understand that?

Now, do you have another question? [pointing at Mark]

MARK:: I don’t specifically. <pause> Actually I do and a strange one at that. Let’s take someone like Hitler for instance. What would his intents have been? What were his families? I know that this is a bizarre concept.

LIDA: Or how about Stalin?

[Mark’s notes: I had formulated this question earlier but had decided not to ask it. When Kris pointed at me the way he did it put me on the spot so to speak. I kept thinking to myself “Is there something that I am supposed to be asking”? “Am I missing something”?]

KRIS: We at this time would rather not explore those.

MARK: I don’t have any other questions at this time.

KRIS: Then we suggest that when you have time to explore these ideas and use the information as ‘stepping stones’ to understand the deeper layers of your personality which deal with elements slightly beyond the ego construction so that you can begin to explore yourselves in a manner that again is different and is not that different. Now do you have questions?

LIDA: How is it that you naturally get along with some people and don’t with other people. Does it mean that when you start a relationship that you are not compatible and that you don’t have a future with this person?

KRIS: Some individuals may actually mesh very easily. The interests, the chemistry, the drives seem to be deep and meaningful at that time and as life goes on each individual changes, is transformed by the events that they create for themselves and the avenues of life that they each explore. Other people may come together and very quickly sense they have no possibilities in this time for any relationship. There are many elements involved. There are reincarnational dramas, issues that are attempts to work out situations started in other lifetimes, unresolved issues for instance. Other situations may indeed be simply that only certain aspects of your personalities are able to mesh at this time but over all a future development is highly improbable because either you or the other may have their own personal unresolved issues or life paths that have not come to the surface at this time and may take and may literally be impossible to reconcile at a certain point. Do you also follow?

LIDA:: Yes, does it also mean that it will have to be resolved in the future?

KRIS: It depends what the two personalities work on these other or unconscious levels. There are times that even when a certain conflict is not resolved in this lifetime that there may not be the need to create a whole new set of lifetimes to try to resolve the issue. It may resolve itself in the dream states or after life states. There are occasions when issues between two people initially may also involve a larger number of people and those two people may decide that after they die to reincarnate and resolve it in a different manner because there are others involved and they too need to resolve their issues all together.

So there are great varieties of combinations and we should also point out that even when there is an issue that is resolved in an after life state, the very mere fact that wanting and desiring to resolve an issue creates lives, offshoots or fragments that for all intents and purposes for those focuses, the ensuing combinations and ramifications that allow for the working out of the issues may very well become lifetimes as you understand them, to those two personalities and no one else. Do you understand that?

[Pointing at Mark] Do you understand this also, Philip?

MARK: Yes. So there may have been in one particular lifetime, disputes or problems that are resolved after what we call death but still as a result of those there is a whole slew of reincarnations where those two work things out in different ways.

KRIS: Because they will each project energy to resolve an issue and that projection of energy, the projected aspects of the persona that will work on the issue, for them this is also as valid as your own, as physical as your own even though you may not consider them as physical lives. They may from your perspective only be dream lives. They may even be from your perspective only be ghostly images but to those personas their existence, their reality is just as real as your own but in a different frame of consciousness. Do you understand?

MARK: Yes, I believe that I do and I find it quite comforting.

KRIS: Again, look to your dreams where you may find yourself on a beautiful beach front in the Dominican Islands or some other beautiful tropical zone, admiring the coconut palms, the blue green of the ocean, the salty breeze, the warm sand and to that projection the environment is as REAL as your present physical environment here, regardless of how brief that projection’s reality is. For that projection there is an automatic, instantaneous creation of a past and a future and alternates, as compliments of its projection. This is done automatically, spontaneously due to simultaneous time and its auspices. Do you follow?

MARK: Just one example of this, of many, if there is somebody that you are in conflict with or estranged from or distanced from, in this relationship and you have a dream in which there is this person. It may not be THAT person but it IS that person. It might be somebody else or it may be an object or an animal but you still know that it is that person. That is a coming together in that stance to resolve your issues?

KRIS: Very often indeed.

MARK: That is just one example of many.

KRIS: Indeed. No system is ever separate from another. The separateness only exists in your own perceptions though in reality all systems are linked and there is a free flow of exchanges. There are associations made at those levels that are difficult to translate into your ideas of a singular and separate self because in reality you are not separate selves but you have individualism. Does that make some sense?

MARK: Yes it does.

KRIS: And again when you find yourself in a public place look about you and you may ask your inner selves or your inner eyes to look about and even though you may not be able to detect anything different at the physical level, you might even sense that many of the people milling about, say at the subway station may very well be projections of other individuals who are sleeping somewhere or day dreaming somewhere. Do you understand?
Whom is there and whom is where? Can anyone determine that?

MARK: Question. If we think of someone or dream of someone, whether familiar to us or not, is that always a communication with that other person on another level? Is there always, I’m not sure there is such a thing as ALWAYS but ….

KRIS: Sometimes you have to make some discernment. They may very well be presentations in a dream states that are your own issues. There are other times when you have visits from friends both physical and non-physical. You have all traveled through the corridors of time and space since time immemorial, it would stand to reason that you have over that period acquired friends who may not be physical in this experience but who may still contact you through the dream states and you only know them and recognize them as friends IN the dream states. They would not appear in physical reality and they will always be similar, just like in the dream state you may visit a house or a city that does not exist in the physical world but only in the dream reality, over and over again. You would only be conscious of that if you keep a dream record.

LIDA: why would you want to dream of the same place again and again and again?

KRIS: Perhaps it is a place where your consciousness goes because it is comfortable. Much like Homer Simpson always ends up at Moe’s. Do you understand? Perhaps other aspects of your personality end up in a very similar teaching environment, a classroom of some kind because this is where your consciousness learns certain things not available to it elsewhere. That knowledge may not be transformed or interpreted into physical terms but your consciousness understands and uses those lessons to enrich your lives much like you may go to a specific school for 9 or 10 or 15 years. Do you understand?

So consciousness knows its own place. Now if you have no questions we will leave you to ponder where your consciousness will end up tonight and if you join us for a drink, please say hello.

MARK: And vice-versa.

KRIS: And enjoy your evening and your families.

8:44 PM Session Ends

[Note: when I went to bed afterwards, somehow I could still feel an acceleration, as if Kris wasn’t finished with this particular session but I wasn’t able to get into it. When I awoke Tuesday morning, I found some sort of impression in my mental in-box. A note from Kris, letting me understand that though he explained about primary secondary and tertiary adjuncts to intent and focus aligning with Families of Consciousness, he didn’t want to make it more complicated than it already was.

However, from Kris’ perspective, the Essence intent and the focus alignment can have primary, secondary and tertiary alignments each. That would make 6 divisions of consciousness at play here in a manner that is complimentary at all levels.]

I am still trying to wrap my mind around that one! ~Serge