(Audio file 1. Kris on … June 9 2004.wav)

Roll Call: Mark and Serge, Joanne and Paul Helfrich via speakerphone.

Session starts at 7:25 PM.

KRIS: Now we are glad that the modern technology can afford us all to communicate so nicely together.

PAUL: Hello, Kris! How are you?

KRIS: We are indeed quite well. It is simply a matter of our friends here coping with the heat.

JOANNE: Hi Kris!

KRIS: And how are you, fine lady?

JOANNE: Oh, I’m just fine, thank you so much. It’s really nice to meet you, somewhat in person, although I feel like you’ve been around me, so it isn’t exactly our first meeting, I suspect.

KRIS: Indeed. We tend to get around. (Laughter)

PAUL: I have a question for you, if that’s okay.

KRIS: You have only one?

PAUL: (Laughter) I do have a list (laughs), but I’ll start with the first one.

KRIS: Indeed, it would not have been entirely you to only have one question. Continue to feel free.

PAUL: Thank you. I want to try generally and make some connections between the information offered by Seth and Elias and see where that takes us. So my first question tonight deals with the fact that Elias makes a distinction between channeling and an energy exchange, and to my knowledge Seth didn’t go to that level of detail. According to Elias channeling deals with aspects of one’s own essence coming through, and an energy exchange deals with aspects of another essence coming through¹. Would you share your view on this and how does that apply to your relationship with Serge?

KRIS: Indeed. Now, if you familiarize yourself quickly with the Seth material, you will note that Seth did not elaborate to any great degree, and Ruburt did not feel particularly endeared to the term “channeling.” She did feel that it somehow or other might have tried to pigeonhole or mediate much more complex issues concerning the exchange.

So they eventually moved on their own such discussions and simply dealt with their business at hand. And we do feel that Elias’ and Michael’s exchange is indeed quite endearing, for it describes the communications quite admirably, and our exchange [with Joseph], [while] also of a similar nature to Michael and Elias, still contains certain unique differences. And as pointed out by Elias and by ourselves, this exchange also contains a synergy not yet developed through Elias and Michael; they have their own unique communication. Do you understand?

PAUL: I have a general sense of the uniqueness of it and what you’re saying – what you and Serge have, is what you’re calling a synergy, and is not yet manifest with Michael and Elias.

KRIS: Indeed. And by that we mean that the exchange between Joseph and ourselves also allows us to have a wider spectrum of communications behind the scenes, outside the parameters that deal strictly with the exchange trance. So we can on almost any occasion literally pipe material, concepts, information through Joseph’s unconscious, so that portions of his own unconscious and conscious minds can function with the material, and provide further laying of groundwork, still behind the scenes; facilitating some of these other concepts that we can bring in at another time. So that creates the synergistic aspects of this relationship. Does this make sense to you?

PAUL: Yes, and just to summarize my understanding then, of what Elias calls an energy exchange, it seems to me clearly to apply to yours and Joseph’s situation.

KRIS: Indeed. The idea that some may espouse, that somehow or other must treat a channeling would somehow or other be inferior or tainted is also misleading, as Elias clearly explains.²

PAUL: Right, that’s clear.

KRIS: Indeed. So anyone who may claim that this is strictly a channeling, and therefore cannot be possibly good at all, is [stating] a reflection on the values they have placed upon their own selves, that it cannot be good at all.

PAUL: Right, and also then on the other side within an authentic energy exchange, we would have different levels of distortion and/or clarity. And that probably relates to the nine families in terms of what Seth and Elias and yourself have described – I’m just mentioning the Sumafi intention, which tends towards less distortion.

So just to summarize where I think I’m going with this, just because it’s an energy exchange on the other hand, it doesn’t mean that somehow it’s all perfectly clear information coming through. There will be a spectrum – and I’m being systemic now, Kris, in my comments, and looking at all the different energy exchanges that are going on within the nine families on our planet. So I just wanted to state that.

KRIS: Do you consider that the nine families pertain to your plane as well?

PAUL: Right.

KRIS: There is a difference. Now, to also assume that an energy exchange would somehow or other be more pure, and contain less filtering can also be misleading. Do keep in mind that the concepts have to be organized within the functions and the parameters of human syntax, and immediately that requires a one-step removal from the contents of the concepts. Certain expressions cannot find their way into your syntactical system. There are things that cannot be explained, though we may try to the best of our abilities.

But there is still much work to be done, and that involves the human side of the equation, to reach further and beyond its regular boundaries, stretching the limits and the boundaries of the imagination and the self, involving the conscious self, thereby waking the individual to its greater resources. And eventually, even your human language will cease to be a barrier because it contains within itself walls that separate the self from not-self. Its grammar and syntax is prejudiced towards physical expression and prejudiced against spiritual expression. Does that make sense to you?

PAUL: Yes, and as both Jo and I are writers who deal with language regularly, we’re familiar with limits and trying to artfully work around (chuckling) some in our conscious creation work. So we’re very sensitive to those limitations.

And another question, Kris, on this theme of families and intention; I’ve noticed that you recently expanded what Elias calls “belonging to” and “aligning with.” I just wanted to get some further comments from you in this area. So let me just summarize my preliminary understanding; you described Joseph – what Elias would call a “belonging to” – as having a primary, secondary, and tertiary intent. And then, I’m not sure if I’m correct on this, then the focus personality that Elias calls “aligning with,” similarly are primary, secondary, and tertiary intent³. Would you just comment on that?

KRIS: Indeed. Our perspective has to do with the mobile dimensional nature of individuality. The vitality of the individual is such that even these types of signs – “belongings to” and “aligning with” – have to contain sufficient flexibility for even those who would be on the cusp of one category or another. Do you follow so far?

PAUL: Absolutely. That’s what we’ve called sub-families or sub-divisions in the Seth material [and information offered by Elias]?

KRIS: Indeed. And they will eventually make themselves known. Individuals will eventually understand that though they may be Sumafi, Gramada, Ilda on the one label, and on the other Milumet, Vold, and Tumold, may also be partially aligned with a blend such as in Sue Watkins’s example.

PAUL: She called it, I think, the Grunaargh. It was a sub-family of Gramada ⁴.

KRIS: Indeed. As such definitions stretch the boundaries even of human syntax, which is intimately tied with neurological processes and perception mechanisms more and more will be made known. Individuals will fill out the spaces of their selves, so to speak. The musical composition of the self will take on greater and greater significance. Individuals will eventually recognize that the concept of the self is not static, nor is it one thing. When there is mention of essence, many still consider that it is a singular unit, while it is not possible to singularize essence, though words give that impression. Do you understand?

PAUL: Absolutely. I have a better sense of essence, and you’ve used the word “field” recently, I think the quantum science of fields are used as waves that are not discrete things…

KRIS: If even in your physical dimension light can be both a particle and a wave; that is only one small example. Imagine at those levels how essence must be, for it is all things.

PAUL: (Laughs) I am trying, and I am getting there.

Another question, Kris – so many directions I could go here – let me just try another one. This is a conventional psychological belief system, I think it comes to bear somewhat, we’ll see. In our conventional beliefs, psychologists have done research, and they have generally described human development as unfolding in linear terms. Again, they’re not into the essence level, and clans, and clusters, and subtle energies in any detail.

In conventional terms, then, there’s pre-conventional, conventional, post-conventional. And that’s just a very general way of looking at six billion, or twelve billion personalities, or however many there’ve been up to this now in linear terms. I just wanted to get your impressions or take on that idea. Does that have validity to you?

KRIS: Validity must be assigned to the presence of the individual within the context of the time-space continuum. That is also a small fragment of the individual. Within that field alone there are so many possibilities. And, it does allow a certain degree of understanding of this action, this movement, from one stage to another, which is significant, but must also be allowed expansion.

PAUL: Right, so we’re just saying that the pre-conventional, conventional, post-conventional spectrum of development is just one piece of a larger matrix that we’re trying to look at overall, at least in physical terms, and in practical terms, of human development.

KRIS: One has at one point to ask: what is human? What is the individual and individuality? When such questions can no longer elicit answers from the think tanks, then you know that you are the verge of the next stage of psychology’s own pre-conventional, conventional, and post-conventional understandings of humanity. Does that make sense?

PAUL: That makes perfect sense. So just to summarize my understanding, you mentioned think tanks, and I would qualify, characterize, most think tanks as being quite conventional, not even what we could call post-conventional in their development, and then if we just widen awareness into post-conventional stages, that’s where we first are able to conceptualize something like the Seth, or Elias, or Kris materials. Then we’re aware that there are other stages, wider stages, pulling in right now in this change or shift, we could call post-post-conventional, or whatever. But there is yet another stage, and is that how you see it?

KRIS: Indeed. The individual cannot be contained within and restrained by the definitions arrived at by conventions and committees. They have their own built-in guaranteed shortcomings, because the goal is to simplify, and often in order to simplify, then you have to make sacrifices and eventual lobotomies, so to speak, in order to provide a more consensus-fitting description of individuality.

Eventually there will come a time when you can move beyond those conventions, and you will recognize that when the conventions suddenly have no more fuel, cannot go beyond their own parameters, then it is time to break down the structure, and out of its ashes resurrect an entirely new and more expanded one, which is very much like how the self functions. Do you understand?

PAUL: As best as I can. So just to comment, then, within what I’m calling conventional worldviews, the maps for reality, the maps for the individual are fairly absolutely distinct and seeming to be universal. Then it’s a characteristic of the post-conventional or wider worldviews to be relativistic and see more subtle shades, they’re certainly not as absolute. And these post-post-conventional worldviews, which as we’re discovering them and hinting at them, we get into a very, almost aperspectival view of things, where there’s no absolutes whatsoever.

And then we start to say, well, post-conventionally we say the map is not the territory we can understand that, where in conventional the map is the territory, and the politics of that we’re well aware of. So I’m just encouraged to hear you agreeing in a general way with these general stages unfolding, and as we’re getting the ability to handle complexity, in a way getting simpler, and in a way getting more subtle and complex, too.

KRIS: And the seeds of such complexities are already present in the individual and those who seek to understand individuality. We have referred in the past to the official line of consciousness and the unofficial line of consciousness. And the unofficial line of consciousness, though generally ignored, or denied, or simply unseen, still functions in, through, and amongst the official line of consciousness – they are not two separate things. But they are separated by the mental structures of the society and the collective in order to achieve specific goals. But the unofficial line of consciousness still is and always will be present. It needs merely to be recognized.

So the notion of the multi-self individual is present within the representation of the singular individual. And all of the psychologies and the therapies that seek to understand and map out the human psyche, the difficulty is that many such schools of thought seem to operate or function upon antiquated views of the individual and of reality.

So the questions themselves have small faults at the rudimentary levels, but these are ignored and built upon, and built upon some more without realizing that there is a problem at the rudimentary level. It simply increases as you reach up the ladder. Do you understand?

PAUL: Yes.

KRIS: And eventually the house of cards must come down, only to be rebuilt again. It is a most fascinating game, perhaps not unlike poker: whoever has a full house, wins? (Mark laughs) Please continue.

PAUL: Okay, I guess I just wanted to comment, then, just within our pre-conventional, conventional, post-conventional spectrum that Jane Roberts’s Aspect Psychology theory certainly fits in as a post-conventional map of the self, and it laid a foundation which still, what we generally call transpersonal psychology, has been exploring as best as it can. But it still is in its infancy. I’m just putting some conventional things into the equation in our conversation, and I’ll let you comment on that if you want.

KRIS: Indeed. Now, it must be understood that Ruburt [Jane] did not invent the notion of Aspect Psychology. Many of its seeds have appeared here and there in previous views of the human mind, though sometimes only briefly skimmed over. What did occur with Ruburt laying down the foundations for Aspect Psychology, however, is that he took what existed, and made it somewhat more visible, which of course ended up shaking the foundations of many of those in the field who had read some of the material. For, of course, how can an individual who has no training and no degrees in psychology or psychiatry be able to perceive and understand the nature of the self to that degree, sometimes even years ahead of its own time? Do you understand so far?

PAUL: Believe me, that’s a very good point.

KRIS: And now that certain sectors are beginning to get over the fact that Ruburt’s material was acquired through altered states, and through the material from Seth, and are able to deal with it in a more mature manner, they are beginning to see its worth, and understanding that their own research of the human psyche would lead them to either a very similar or exactly the same – though the words would be a slightly different – conclusion: that indeed the self is [One made] of many, and each has its unique traits and characteristics held together through the auspices of the ego, who does its function quite adequately. And that each of the many contains its own suite of psychological structures, each carrying on in a manner similar to the whole. Do you follow so far?

PAUL: Yes.

KRIS: In your future, as we discussed last summer with you,⁵ there will be a time when therapists will understand, and use those principles to give the personality a wider spectrum of tools and resources to work with, enabling the individual to actually understand its own psychology, and not to understand the psychology of the therapist, and therefore not fit into preconceived notions of what an individual is or is not, but that the individual simply is, and it is made up of these, and all of these are also individuals and there is no conflict. And together, you have a system that creates realities as naturally as the bird flies, and as naturally as you think thoughts at this very moment. But indeed you have surmised correctly that one needs to understand exactly who is the individual who creates reality.⁶ Do you follow?

PAUL: Yes, and just to comment on that, in doing research and becoming more aware, what we can just generally call Integral Psychology,⁷ which is a post-conventional and widening area of research that’s being done where very unconventional belief systems developing that align, like you were just saying in the last two or three minutes about developing a system of therapies and developmental practices, not just for people who are having difficulty coping and dealing with life, but just to develop our general set of abilities from the broad spectrum of body, mind, to soul, to spirit.

We’re aware of these general maps. We’re beginning to do research amidst a very integral community where of dozens and dozens of wonderful men and women doing research, starting to connect through the Internet and other things, too. So I’m privileged to be at a place and time where the birth of this next wave, I guess, of Integral Psychology and Aspect Psychology, at least what was outlined by Jane Roberts’s research is not so far out all of a sudden, and in fact once we start to find some viable therapies based on that, and also then transformative practices, that will take us to the next step in a very general way.

KRIS: Indeed. And it would also be most interesting to hold discussions with those that are more advanced in NLP [neuro-linguistic-programming], for instance, those who have their masters [degree], for the simple notion that they – those that are conscientious enough – understand that the self is simply a label, that you can address various portions of the self as easily as you would address an individual on the street.

Simply because of their work in establishing new fields of belief patterns, they have to work with the entire self, and get the approval of all of its aspects to make certain that there are no incongruencies within the individual. And if there is incongruency, then where does it come from? Who is being incongruent? Who is being different or in conflict with the ideas, which leads us dramatically to the supposition that the self is not alone, or at least it is not a stand-alone thing. It is a viable society within a specific label: individual. (Melodically) So indeed, Horatio, there are more things in heaven than you would know.

PAUL: (Laughs) And just to comment on that, Joanne and I were at a Spiral Dynamics seminar put on by Don Beck who is part of this Integral Psychology movement, and we met two people working on their masters in transpersonal psychology. I was able to talk to that group and tell them about my interest in the channeling phenomenon that’s still in an area of anomaly that is not adequately described even in the leading edge theories of this now. And so, it inspires me to probe the boundaries of the different theories, and to be able to look at this phenomenon itself as an example of everything you’re talking about, which brings up the depths and the richness of the psyche, and that the maps we have are inadequate but getting refined, and more appropriate.

So I just wanted to say I was able to talk to these two people, and mention from a theoretical point of view that I can now articulate a hypothesis that channeling itself fits loosely in our integral matrix as a developmental stream or intelligence, similar to language, or mathematical ability, or artistic ability, musical, emotional, you know.⁸ We can subdivide this pie of consciousness in many different ways and they overlap, but the basic idea – and I wanted to get your take on this, Kris – is about channeling as a developmental intelligence.

If we’re talking pre-conventional, conventional, post-conventional, general stages of development, channeling is something – and I’m using it in a very general way, we can refine it as energy exchanges and synergies and so on – but for purposes of discussion, channeling doesn’t manifest typically in a young child, or even in an adolescent typically because you have to be a stable adult with a strong outer ego to engage the energy exchange or phenomenon that result from it. So I’m just going to stop there, and let you comment.

KRIS: Indeed. As you already know this phenomenon is not new. It has been part and parcel of human civilizations as far back as is possible to imagine. It may have appeared in different guises. In some quarters it may be shamanic; in other cultures it may be spirits speaking through a priest or priestess, gods and divine beings speaking through exalted ones, and so on and so forth, each within the context of its time.

But still, the phenomenon has been part of human existence. It is woven into the fabric of the human psyche, and as you have pointed out, not every individual may attain to that specific production. It does require an individual who is able to be both pig-headed and flexible at the same time, who can hold on to his or her beliefs, but simultaneously allow others – other belief structures, other thoughts and expressions – to come through.

An individual who is excessively wishy-washy would make a very poor candidate, for if this does succeed, the material will be reminiscent of some of the nicer platitudes on your plane, but will not tell more than some beautiful sayings here and there, and may be heavily dressed in religious decorations. Many of your Sunday morning televangelists allow themselves to get carried away, and there are occasions when they become deeply inspired, but their particular training cloaks the material within the context of their prejudiced views, therefore rendering the material as nothing more than some religious clap-trap. Do you follow?

PAUL: Yes, and just to comment, in this pre-conventional, conventional, post-conventional spectrum, I would characterize that as that individual’s ego being more in a conventional area, and so the filters and the interpretation of the exchange, perhaps, that comes through these conventional structures.

KRIS: Indeed. Many such individuals have such a tight control that they would assume it’s nothing more than a rush of inspiration from the Holy Spirit, or God, or whatever Lord they happen to be speaking about. Thus, having unconsciously opened this type of Pandora’s Box, they may themselves choose to incarnate in another time and place where they may give more freedom to the inspiration, and not seek to box it in to the same degree once they leave [this] physical existence. (Humorously) Will they not be in shock to find that they were not at the Pearly Gates, but instead in the room of another? There is a subtle irony here.

Also, the individual who becomes a good candidate for, say, for these types of exchanges needs to have at least a flexible frame of mind which allows different degrees of these communications to come through at different times. Where, for instance, the views of the world and of reality are not cast in stone as with the televangelists, for example.

PAUL: That makes sense.

KRIS: Thus, such an individual may eventually allow the exchange, but the potential at least exists, and if not in this lifetime they may seek to pursue it in another lifetime altogether, or may even begin in this lifetime, and continue elsewhere if they so desire.

PAUL: Just a question… this is a potential in the blueprints for our plane or dimension, right? In theory, everyone has the potential to engage an exchange. Is that correct?

KRIS: Indeed.

PAUL: And that makes perfect sense. And the other comment, then, just backing up to the Integral Psychology, and looking at channeling as a developmental intelligence: there’s a spectrum of dissociation that occurs, and the focus personality is more or less present. Just as an example in the early sessions we can see with Jane/Ruburt that Jane very much was present, and could wiggle her finger or signal to Rob. So she was present “behind” Seth initially, and then that developed and got deeper. And Mary Ennis is a great example of someone who goes just about as deep and far away from physical focus and physical sensing on this spectrum. So there is a spectrum of dissociation here, right?

KRIS: Indeed. As you have mentioned, Ruburt in the beginning was testing Seth.

PAUL: Ahh.

KRIS: How much of me is he going to invade? How much can I trust, and how much fun can I have trusting? Until she felt secure enough that she was not being overly manipulated and abused. Do keep in mind that all her life long Jane had to deal with the memories of her abusive mother.

PAUL: Right.

KRIS: She was not going to settle for a ghost impinging and manipulating her from the inside out!

PAUL: Right! (Laughter)

KRIS: So she had to set the parameters, and Seth respected them immensely as any essence worth his salt [would]. He worked within her boundaries, and allowed her to expand those very limitations in the degree that she was comfortable with, and over time the relationship deepened.

Our own initial contact with Joseph still followed that same blueprint to work with what was already established, what was familiar, and expand upon that – build foundation upon foundation until a completely different structure was born, allowing us much more leeway than in the beginning.⁹

Those definitions are important. Others may go through slightly different procedures, but always within the permissions and permissibilities of the individual. Some individuals may prefer not to remember anything at all, and thus they create those situations necessary for the condition. Others do not feel so worried if they remember some things and not others, and there are various degrees within them all. But always there is a respect for the individual’s wish.

PAUL: Right, and I have another question, then, from a developmental angle. You’ve been engaged with Serge for something like twenty-four years now, Mary is on her tenth year, and Jane Roberts and Seth occurred over twenty years. I’m not suggesting we do this, but this is a scientific question: if we were able to map the brain, literally the neurochemistry, wouldn’t we be able to detect over a period of let’s say a decade, as an energy exchange manifests and develops comfortably, healthfully, properly, however we define that, shouldn’t we be able to see changes, physical changes in the body and the brain?

KRIS: Indeed. If you used brain-mapping equipment specifically in terms of brain wave deciphering equipment, for example…

PAUL: Right.

KRIS: …you might see an evolution. You might see changes occur. In some cases you might even detect slight chemical changes in the bloodstream, and in the different serotonin levels in the chemistry of the brain.

PAUL: We would be able to trace this during the – let’s just call it the trance state – but then also over a long period of time we would be able to see effects of the exchange…

KRIS: Indeed.

PAUL: …as it develops.

KRIS: Theoretically you should, but since there is a prejudice against such notions, you need to educate those who would be able to carry out the tests, and also guarantee to those who would be tested that it is not meant to prove that they are genuine or not, but simply to understand the different changes that occur at the level of the brain, and the brain’s ability to function at those levels. What kind of pulses of the brain would be activated; what kind of electrical activity would be detected in certain portions and lobes of the brain, and so on and so forth.

PAUL: Right. It would seem to me that the temporal lobes, where we process language and hearing, are something that would be noticeable. Is that true?

KRIS: Indeed. Where you might find that in a non-trance state, someone may lean towards more left-brain or more right-brain, under the different influences of the trance state you would find that perhaps there is more than an amalgamation to create in a more unified brain context.

PAUL: Right, what we call hemi-synch or hemi-synchronization of both halves?

KRIS: Indeed.

PAUL: And then another question: generally brainwaves as we understand them – we’ve mapped beta, alpha, theta, delta – I’m assuming, and I’m just speculating right now, it would be great, and I know Serge has expressed a willingness to actually be measured if the time was ever appropriate, but that there’s a greater incidence right now in his brain of beta and/or delta states. Is that true?

KRIS: Presently, indeed. And it is unfortunate that in the twenty-five to thirty years where brainwave research has started, perhaps slightly longer, hardly anything else has come out of those studies.

PAUL: I agree! (Laughs)

KRIS: Now if such studies are pursued you might find, for instance, that there are gradations of brainwaves that go beyond, or it [has] tried to go beyond the instrumentation. But since the instrumentation is fixed to those four brainwave patterns, how can different types of patterns be registered? The instrumentation has to be modified and enhanced – modernized.

PAUL: Right. So you’re suggesting that there are either – we’ve outlined the spectrum from beta to delta, but you’re saying there are sub-divisions within that spectrum that are subtler…

KRIS: And there are some that go beyond delta and theta.

PAUL: Okay.

KRIS: You may find the instrumentation was correct, but you would have ‘samma’ brainwaves and ‘rappa’ brainwaves that go far deeper than delta and theta. So you have samma and rappa that can even themselves diverge into sub-functions of yet other brainwaves. The spectrum of brainwave analysis presently is far too narrow!

PAUL: That’s ‘samma’ and ‘rappa’. Those would be lower frequencies?

KRIS: They would be deeper still than delta and theta. Samma (S-A-M-M-A) and rappa (R-A-P-P-A); producing deeper patterns, hardly registerable on your instruments since they are not sensitive enough.

PAUL: Would you care to hazard the actual frequencies? I think delta is somewhere or down to somewhere to like 0.4 per second, I’m just guessing that, I’d have to check.¹⁰

KRIS: (Deep breath) Even the numbers assigned to the frequencies can be misleading. Not that they are not useful as they are presently, but it is even possible to go into the minuses without the individual being dead or brain-dead at all. An individual in a deep state of astral projection, for instance, might register so low that they would have to invent the minuses depending on the potential of the guinea pig. Some are in a deep state. Either Michael [Mary] or Joseph [Serge], for instance, might even register such low potentials of brainwaves.

MARK: Even while you’re speaking?

KRIS: Even as we speak presently. And they may also fluctuate, going back up into theta and delta and back down again, depending on the nature of the answer that needs to be brought forth, or the information that needs to be brought forth. For instance, when we engage in the delivery of material either on the Nine Sisters or the clusters of consciousness or other relevant material,¹¹ then the brainwave patterns will go beyond theta. The instrumentation needs to be modernized and brought up to the new status.

PAUL: Right, and what’s startling and not startling at the same time, is that the dream – this is something that is missing in the metaphysical community that they’ve just gotten into belief systems and subjective awareness, which is all well and good, but it’s only part of the story. In physical terms, the brain itself is actually functioning in these exchanges in an altered focus, like lucid dreaming and out of body, whatever, and other altered states. But this cycling you’re speaking of, we can actually see it and measure it in the brain.

KRIS: Indeed. The ego in certain levels of lucid dreams and astral projection, the ego does, or even a portion of the ego, hitches a ride. Therefore, brain activity would be wild and deep at the same time.

PAUL: Right, we’d get some really unusual looking…

KRIS: The monitors would certainly have a good exercise!

PAUL: (Laughs) Yeah.

MARK: So it’s kind of like a cop using a radar gun that only goes up to fifty miles an hour, and today’s cars are going a lot faster, or even into the negatives, the radar gun starts at zero. It only goes zero to fifty.

PAUL: Right, going so slow that it can’t pick up the small, subtle energy.

KRIS: Keep in mind that your brain, as a beautiful instrument, is used to provide a gateway from the unconscious or inner self into the conscious mind. And therefore, neurological patterns and the otherwise neurological highways are used. There are many instances with Ruburt, for instance, commenting that he is perceiving information or material coming to him at a very high speed, or at a (slowly) very low speed, where the physical form – Jane’s body – would actually reproduce the effects.¹² There are accelerated neurological processes that are not possible to reproduce in the physical form, but that still carry information. Do you follow?

PAUL: Yes.

KRIS: So the brain, the physical counterpart of the mind, is also used, and it will release certain chemicals – hormones and compounds – that can give the inner self access to those states they desire, such as out of body experiences. Do you follow?

PAUL: Absolutely. There’s talk of developing, I guess we’ll just call them pharmaceuticals, but that would aid in things like that at some point, I don’t think we’re close to that, but we’re talking about the potential through brain chemistry and research to accelerate and enhance…

KRIS: The potential exists, but so does the potential to create chemicals that would also harm the individual so that the process would not be naturally kicked in.

PAUL: Right, the Frankenstein scenario! (Laughs) Yeah.

KRIS: You would end up with an individual with a big brain!

MARK: Pinky and the Brain!

PAUL: So typically, then, I’m not suggesting that we promote the idea of pharmaceuticals to enhance these, but it seems like a natural outcome of our science. If it’s done as what Seth calls a loving technology, there is a way to do this.¹³

KRIS: Indeed. And there is also the understanding that your physical consciousness is already hard-wired for these states, they simply need to be accessed. And when you have a society that would like everyone to stick to the norm, and frowns upon anyone venturing outside of that normality or normalcy, then you set up different defenses against yourself exploring those states that are natural and inherent to the individual. And when you do have such instances, the tendency often is to run to the doctor, and get a prescription for valium because surely you must be breaking down at the seams simply because your experience of reality suddenly appear different.

PAUL: There’s so much of that going on, there’s a couple of new friends on NewWorldView that, one woman in particular who had an episode like that, and had to deal with conventional treatment. And yet, she knows, and that’s what draws her to NewWorldView, that she had a glimpse into these other states and these other knowings, and it’s very profound.

KRIS: Indeed. She is one of the fortunate ones who has escaped the claws of [conventional] medicine.

MARK: Something that came to my mind when Paul mentioned pharmaceuticals is alternate things like the Mozart effect. Can you use other things instead of drugs to accomplish what he wants to accomplish or what science wants to accomplish, using sound or something else?

KRIS: Indeed.

PAUL: Playing off that, Mark, a question we wanted to explore earlier would be developing artistic intelligences – you know, writing, sculpture, dance, painting and music. These kinds of right-brain activity help to free up the system, and the intuitions, and make them readily available. There’s your Mozart effect in a sense.

KRIS: There are many such systems that can be used to enhance higher brain functions. That is what you enter into with the development of altered states, trance states, and so on. You enter into higher intelligence levels where the brain becomes the neurological network hub for the communications that occur at levels of the inner self, at the matrix of the self, whether you consider them past lives, alternate and probable, and counterparts, and so on and so forth. There is intelligence, personalized individualized communications, and they are always accessible. They are not always perceived.

Once they are perceived and accessed, then indeed you kick in the higher brain functions, the higher intelligence functions. And this becomes significant because it signifies that all individuals have this capacity, though some may choose to never venture in that territory. And your modern psychologies, your modern integral approaches may indeed make good use of the systems to actively pursue accessing those higher brain and intelligence functions. And it is indeed possible to synchronize either music or mantras to open the gates to those kinds of levels of higher brain functions. Do you understand?

PAUL: Absolutely, and I mean it’s been my own experience. I think of those Gateways as a sweet spot, and there are several of them that I’m aware of that I don’t have full outer egoic control of. And just as an example, Serge has full outer egoic control of engaging you, so he knows that sweet spot, and he’s able to access it. Unfortunately it’s still a very rare thing amongst the six billion of us. But maybe it’s not as rare as I’m suggesting, and it’s just bursting out all over, isn’t it, in all sorts of ways?

KRIS: The more your society and culture are made aware of the availability of these possibilities, then you have individuals who have strange encounters with reality, and it is not the reality that they were brought up to think exists, but rather a larger reality. And their precious house of cards often crumbles because they do not have the psychological cement and foundation that also contains those particular views, so their house is easily rattled, their psychological house.

But if there is sufficient knowledge in the society, much like in the ancient aboriginal people’s societies where the shaman, the medicine person, or others were available to the tribes, and great councils of nations also understood those principles, then when a member of the tribe had visions, or went on a vision quest, or simply communicated with a Kachina, then indeed the great spirits were able to speak their message to the lone person or to the community, because the belief was active, it was not shut off. The switch was on, so they had within the context of their midst and tribal law, the built-in notion that it was possible, such that something much greater than the individual would address the individual in time of need. Your present society still lacks that understanding, so it appears on the fringes.

PAUL: Right, and some scholars say that the pre-modern era is not as primitive as the modern era would make them out to be in the sense you just described. And that something was actually lost or repressed in a way to move into our modern perception and science, and now that we’re talking about post-modernity, we’re seeing some of that bubbling up from its repressed boundaries of the modern mind-set.

KRIS: When you give sufficient strength, and force, and energy to suppress parts of the psyche, parts of the natural expression of the individual, and you set up a guarantee that at some point it will bounce back with the same amount of force you exerted to keep it down. Thus it appears in individual’s lives, sometimes in a traumatic manner, simply because society has refused to deal with its own nature. Does that make sense?

PAUL: Yes, and in the transpersonal communities they call it a “spiritual emergency.” So they’re aware now – at least a small band of transpersonal psychologists – that these are no longer schizophrenic or psychotic patients, but that there is some sort of psychic repression barrier being burst open and, as you say, the house of cards is collapsing, some other structure has to rise up in outer egoic terms to steer the ship.

KRIS: And as we have mentioned to this individual when we talked with her, the individual is not a victim of this volcanic psychological eruption, but rather actually seeks it out – albeit unconsciously – in order to create balance, equilibrium, in its life because it knows that with its old views reality is bottoming out, it needs a new reality. The individual needs new beliefs, so it actively calls out to this deep force of the universe that resides within the individual. Some call it the kundalini; some call it the Holy Spirit. Whatever you call it, it is a resident integral aspect of the individual. It is so integral that just as you cannot cut your legs off to run faster, so you cannot remove that from the psyche. Does that make some sense?

PAUL: Oh yeah, that was beautiful.

KRIS: So indeed, the individual does create his or her reality in spite of the fact that they may deny it till they are blue in the face.

PAUL: That’s another reason why so many people in the past thirty years have been drawn to what we’ve loosely called conscious creation sources like Seth, Elias, yourself, Abraham, and others, that subconsciously they’re being drawn to this thing that provides themselves with a framework so that when this volcanic eruption may occur, they at least have a framework within which to interpret what was happening.

In my own case some twenty-five years ago this December I had a two and a half hour experience. And while it was a little unsettling, it was really, really cool. I had a sense to just go with it because of all the work I had done from reading these books.¹⁴

So I’m just saying that as a plug for anybody who reads this transcript who wants to pursue that kind of self-exploration. That’s the power of this information.

KRIS: Indeed, and hopefully this transcript will not be a year in the making.

PAUL: (Laughter) Okay, I hear you!¹⁵

KRIS: It is interesting how a mere suggestion can elicit such a sweet response.

PAUL: Indeed!

KRIS: Now you have more inquiries? We hope that in all of this your charming companion has not tired of our melodious voice.

JOANNE: No, not at all. I’m soaking it up, thank you.

KRIS: Indeed.

PAUL: That’s it, Jo. Go ahead!

JOANNE: I just would like a clarification because I knew you would be talking to me even if I didn’t ask any questions. But one of the things that you mentioned when you were talking about psychology, the higher that we climb in our development the more the ladder sways, and those who have the full house are the ones who win the game. Were you talking about the potential with going back and healing the sub-systems in us that get damaged along the way?

In other words, is there a potential for me to talk to you about perhaps those kinds of strategies that a person would have, and how do we detect – this is a big question of mine – how do we detect and heal the sub-systems in our psyches that make it through or not (laughs), throughout our development?

KRIS: That question may take longer than we have at this time, to answer…

JOANNE: Right.

KRIS: …but indeed it is quite possible and necessary to develop the strategies and the approaches to bring about the healing of the conflicts and the incongruencies within a particular individual construction, because that is what the individual is, it is a construction of other selves. And it is quite possible to recognize, deal with the situation, but the personality itself must be in agreement, and overall there are different methods, methodologies, and approaches that can be developed. Rest assured of that.

And the individual who would need such healing does not need to understand all of the ins and outs of the background information in everything pertaining to such philosophies. It might simply add to their confusion, since overall the whole self may be in a state of shock similar to someone who has never experienced an earthquake suddenly finds themselves within a zone of a five or six point on the Richter scale. Do you understand?

JOANNE: Yes.

KRIS: So you need to have an approach that appears rather benign, but that still carries much weight and healing potential. And this is where we are wishing to develop our material on the Nine Sisters further.

MARK: I’d also like to comment on that. I think that knowing from believing that you have those sub-systems, those processes, everybody is dealt the full deck regardless. And the higher the ladder goes the more it sways, the more your beliefs tend to be challenged. But it’s like driving a car, you don’t have to know how the car operates, all you have to know is how to get in, you turn the key and go. If you believe, and you know, and you understand that you have the tools and the resources at any given time, you can stabilize.

JOANNE: Right.

MARK: You don’t have to know what those are. You just have to know that they’re there.

JOANNE: Right. How to get the right tools, the benign tools, to people is another part of the creation too, to know that something would be available to people? There’s also that inclination we have to fix people, and I’m very encouraged to hear you talk about how we all have access to these different states of consciousness and spiritual states at any given time. And it just seems to me that the subtle ways of reminding people of their own innate divinity is a good place to start.

KRIS: Indeed. Whether the person acknowledges it or not, even if they vehemently deny it, they still have an understanding that they have a certain degree of control over their existence, regardless of what they may think fate has dealt them. Even one who has been horrendously victimized still understands they have a certain degree of control over their destiny, and that can be – even if nothing more than a pinprick – can still be the point of departure within to allow them to recognize that point of departure. And that point of departure is that they can believe that somehow, some [way] there can be a healing, a balancing of their situation. And it comes from their believing in themselves to whatever degree.

The therapist may have a completely different understanding, and his or her goal would be to allow the individual to gather the tools, and the resources, and the strengths necessary, and to gently nudge them into that recognition so that they can apply and understand their own psychology. The therapist becomes then a catalyst, an individual who allows another to transform their lives. For as you have said you cannot fix another because ultimately there is no other to fix, and nothing to fix in the other. But there is the possibility of recognizing that one needs change from their present situation when it is warranted. Does that make sense?

JOANNE: Thank you.

KRIS: You are most welcome. What is the time?

MARK: Quarter to nine.

KRIS: So we humbly suggest that for the time being we end our conversation.

PAUL: That sounds great, Kris. Can I ask one final favor of you?

KRIS: Indeed.

PAUL: Just because we’re social folks, I was wondering if you would give Joanne and I entity names?

KRIS: Have you not received those from Elias?

PAUL: Yes, we have.

KRIS: May we ask why you are asking us?

PAUL: We wanted to see what you would tell us. (Laughter)

KRIS: Now do understand that the presence of another essence may have a different “gravitational” effect upon yourselves. Do you understand so far?

PAUL: Yes, completely.

KRIS: Thus what we give you may be different from what Elias gave you, but you do understand the principle.

PAUL: It makes perfect sense in the nature of personality tone, and that how varied and infinite it is.

KRIS: Indeed. (Deep breath) Then we would call you Janaki, and your lovely companion we would call her Rosalie.

PAUL: Rosalea?

KRIS: Rosalie.

JOANNE: R-O-S-A-L-I-E?

KRIS: Indeed.

PAUL: Could you spell Janaki?

KRIS: J-A-N-A-K-I. Janaki.

PAUL/JOANNE: Thank you.

MARK: Are they totally different?

JOANNE: Yes.

PAUL: Well, in terms of language, yes, but in terms of personality tone, no.¹⁶

JOANNE: That feels very nice!

KRIS: And indeed we will return Joseph to you, and do have a pleasant journey, until next time.

PAUL: Thank you so much. It’s been a pleasure.

JOANNE: Thank you, Kris.

Kris departs at 9:48 PM.

Endnotes:

¹Here’s Elias on the difference between channeling and an energy exchange:

“Every individual holds the ability to be manifesting an energy exchange, although it is not quite as simplified as you view the phenomenon to be. Within this action occurs a cooperation. Therefore, it is not merely the choice of one individual physically focused. There are many elements that contribute to the actualization of an actual energy exchange. We have begun briefly speaking of your individual and mass value fulfillment. These actions do not occur in actuality without the creation of value fulfillment for all individuals. Therefore, if there is not to be fulfillment within value of the individuals participating and the essences participating and also a benefit within consciousness, the exchange shall not occur. Many individuals express that they engage in the action of an energy exchange, although they term this to be mediumship, or within your new terminology, channeling. Their meaning within these words, in their understanding and definition, is the same as an energy exchange, although the accomplishment of an actual energy exchange is not as common physically as you may suspect.

“As I have stated, you all hold the ability to engage an energy exchange. All essences hold the ability for energy exchange. All essences do engage energy exchange. Not all individuals engage this type of phenomenon. Individuals attain information which is beneficial to them in many different areas, this being only one. Many individuals, as has been stated, believe that they are engaging an energy exchange, when in actuality they are engaging their own belief systems. It is quite common for you physically focused to alter your perception in consciousness and not necessarily alter your area of consciousness. You may alter your perception of your waking consciousness and not be engaging another area of consciousness. You may be engaging a quietness of self in which you are allowing your own belief systems to be expressed freely. This is quite common.

“There are different types of energy exchanges which occur within physical focuses. One type is what you view within this forum, which is also relatively the same type of phenomenon that you have studied previously of another teacher, that which you call Seth. There are other energy exchanges, which are valid and contributing to value fulfillment, which are more aligned with a tapping of a world view. This is a complicated area, for you view the concept of a worldview as individual. This is not always the case. Essences may collectively deposit energy information, which is available to you. You may tap this information. This may appear to be an exchange similar to this phenomenon that you view within this forum. It is a different type of exchange. A different action occurs. It is no less valid. It is also an energy exchange. It is only not an energy exchange of essence.” [session 154, February 23, 1997]

“Let me express to you that within the engagement of an activity that individuals term to be channeling, generally speaking, for the most part, an individual that engages that action is not in actuality creating an energy exchange with another essence, but is allowing themselves to literally channel information from other areas of consciousness – for the most part, other areas of information which are held within their own essence – into their objective awareness within physical focus.” [session 742, December 17, 2000]

For more information, see Digests: energy exchanges; Elias, Paul (Patel)

http://www.eliasforum.org/digests/energy_exchanges.html

²Elias addressed this issue in a 2004 group session.

ELIAS: “… Each of you incorporates an assessment of what constitutes distortion; but each of you assess that through your own perception, and each of you generates your meaning of distortion in association with your truths.

“Now; as we continue to be engaging this wave in consciousness addressing to truths, this is a significant factor to be considering, for this generates many differences, many conflicts, and it is, generally speaking, a common ground for absolutes and truths.

“How do you assess the information that I offer to you? For I have expressed to you that I offer this information to you in association with my direction and what you may term to be my agenda in the least amount of distortion, and I have expressed that to you from the onset of this forum. But what does that mean to you, to each of you, and how do you process that information? What is your association with that statement, and what does that influence in association with your beliefs and how you allow your beliefs to influence your actions, your interactions, and your assessments of other information? (Slight pause) This is a question.” (Laughter)

PAUL H: “... less distortion is better, so anything that is more distorted, any other information that holds greater distortion is badder or worse.”

ELIAS: “This is quite accurate.”

PAUL H: “And if that information is offered by one of the other essence family intents, since you’ve associated that concept with Sumafi intent, then it is badder or worse.”

ELIAS: “But what is the guideline? The essence family?”

STEVE: “... I just had the thought that you used to say that Seth’s material was more distorted than yours. He would say things like you can just affirm to yourself with your thoughts that you want something and create it that way, and you absolutely say that is not correct. Therefore, it must be that distortion means more not true than undistorted material.”

ELIAS: “Ah! This is the point. This is a general association that all of you in some capacity generate, that if there is distortion in information, it is not true, and undistorted information is more true — which is not true. (Laughter)

“For, what is significant that you understand is that regardless of what information is offered to you, regardless of whether I or any other essence may express any information to any of you — and per se perhaps it may be entirely undistorted, which would be another absolute; which there is no entirely undistorted information, for it is all filtered through layers of consciousness and languages and energies and perceptions — and this is the key, that regardless of what information you draw to yourselves — for this is the action that you are engaging; it is not that I am offering information to you — it is that you are drawing this information to yourselves. You each individually engage a choice to interact with myself, and that is an element of your method or your process of offering yourself information. I am merely an avenue of that.

“Now; in that offering of information, you each incorporate that information through your own perceptions. Therefore, what is true and what is not true? I am aware that many individuals within this time framework, in association with this wave addressing to truths, are incorporating confusion and difficulty — perhaps not quite conflict with many individuals, although that is being expressed also presently and even trauma. But for many individuals there is an expression of frustration that is occurring, for their truths may conflict with other individuals’ truths, and therefore the right and wrong, the true and untrue, the distorted and undistorted are being much more emphasized, and the questioning of what is right or who is right and what is wrong or who is wrong becomes also much more emphasized.

“In this time framework, there is much comparison that is being expressed, and I have expressed to all of you many times, comparison is dangerous for it is an automatic discounting of yourselves and of other individuals. There is no absolute right; there is no absolute wrong. There are many different perceptions of individuals’ preferences and their opinions.

“And I may express to you and allow me to emphasize, duplicity is a belief system. It is an element of the design of your reality. It is a belief system. It is not being eliminated in any manner, as none of the belief systems are being eliminated. This is the reason that I have expressed to you all from the onset of this forum that regardless that you are moving in this shift in consciousness and regardless that you are moving into acceptance, you shall continue to incorporate your opinions and your preferences; but you may hold your opinions and your preferences knowing that they are not wrong but also moving into a knowing that they are not absolutely right, either. They are your opinions and your preferences, and in your terms, they are right with you but that does not invalidate the rightness of another individual’s expressions — or not even another individual’s expression but the possibility of an expression. [session 1496, January 17, 2004]

³Kris introduced the notion of primary, secondary, tertiary essence family relationships in the context of his material on clans or clusters of consciousness. While related to Seth and Elias’ material on the nine families of consciousness, Kris is exploring an even wider “layer” of attention within consciousness, which Seth and Elias also explore. So the nine families are a subset that applies directly to our universe and planet.

KRIS: ... “Now, another item that needs to be brought out is that in the Seth material there is a brief discussion on a specific topic that was not necessarily developed to any great length. In fact in many places in the Seth material this has been a pattern, and it was specifically done to bring about further discussions by others whose melodious voice would carry this song of consciousness.

“... One such topic is referred to by Seth as “Life Clouds” or “Dream Clouds” [in Dreams, “Evolution,” and Value Fulfillment, Vol. 2, (1986, 1997)]. These contain in a certain way the raw, psychic, psychological, and intentional elements that are used through the intents of the families of consciousness as they pertain to the construction and the manifestation of consciousness into matter through your physical reality, through physical reality as you know it. Elias also defines that the nine families of consciousness are as appropriate to physical reality as you know it.

“Now, what we are presenting through these clans or clusters of consciousness takes it into the realm as what Seth describes as Life or Dream Clouds that contain the elements through which planes and dimensions and worlds are seeded, are created, and this has nothing to do with the chemical composites as you understand it or even the elements of air, water, earth, and fire, but rather the pure psychological energy based elements which are not identifiable through your table of elements as in chemistry for instance. They have nothing to do with that.

“These elements are of such nature that they can not produce by themselves unless there is an intervention of another kind of intent, if you will a sort of or type of filter that gives a particular direction, a nudge, molds that energy for a specific intent and this is where the families of consciousness come into play. Do you follow so far?

“As we have suggested we will not get into the naming. That will take some time but the source selves or the essence does indeed pertain to specific families and the focus personality, the selves that you know in the physical term also align with a particular intent of its own thereby creating not only a juxtaposition, but a compliment which gives a unique address from which you function in the physical world.

“For instance, our own primary alignment is also Sumafi. We will design secondary and tertiary alignments. Our own secondary is Sumari and tertiary alignment is Milumet.

“... Now Joseph’s and your own are slightly different because you function also with focus personality intent. Your own selves are driven by value fulfillment within certain areas. Joseph’s for instance also aligns with Sumari, BUT also with Gramada as a secondary adjunct, and a tertiary adjunct with Tumold.

“We view this in this manner [analogy]: All individuals have more than one social function. For instance, an individual may spend most of his day as “management in the government.” Whilst he is not in that capacity, functioning, then he is both husband and father at home. Each one fits perfectly in his reality, do you understand?”

MARK: “Yes, very much.”

KRIS: “And you for instance [pointing at Mark (Philip)] have a primary essence also Milumet, secondary adjunct Vold, and tertiary adjunct Gramada. These give your personalities a great deal of leeway, and none of these primary, secondary, tertiary are fixed in stone. (Spoken slowly and loudly) You may also change your adjunct by the intent that you bring forth at different times in your life, but these are the three primes at this point. Do you understand?” [Pointing at Mark].

MARK: “Yes I do.”

KRIS: “This is how we understand, divide, and explore the values inherent in each of these passages. Now to bring that back to the clusters of consciousness, your own primary, secondary, tertiary adjuncts interpret specific meaning to the power and the raw elements of consciousness as these different clusters each express, and all of the nine families of consciousness as such belong to one cluster. Each cluster having its own associations of families of consciousness, not that the nine families of consciousness related to your physical reality experience are specifically bound to that one cluster. There may also be exchanges within depending on the needs, the conditions and the circumstances of consciousness.” [April 5, 2004]

Also, Kris’ clans and clusters are similar to what Seth introduced as “pyramid energy gestalts,” and what Elias calls “pools of consciousness.” For more information, see Digests: pools of consciousness:

http://www.eliasforum.org/digests/pools.html

⁴Rob Butts discussed Susan Watkins impressions:

(Sue did attend class last Tuesday evening, however, arriving just in time before it began to read the transcript for the 732nd session. Then during class she handed me a note that I’ll paraphrase a bit here: “In a session on Sumari I witnessed in 1971 or early 1972 – I picked up a family-of-consciousness name, and Seth said it was ‘Grunaargh.’ It wasn’t on the list given last month.”

(Class was a very busy one, with over 40 people present. When Seth came through Sue had time for but one question: Was Grunaargh connected to any of the families of consciousness Seth had named in the 732nd session ~ “It is indeed, “ Seth answered. “It is related to one already given.”

(Sue’s note intrigued me anew: After class I promised her that not only would I search our files about Grunaargh, but that with Seth’s help Jane and I would eventually get more information on that family, and present it somewhere in the notes for “Unknown” Reality. The point I want to make here is that others beside Jane can intuitively divine material on the families of consciousness. Actually, for whatever reasons, Sue had glimpsed a family other than Sumari before Jane had. Going through back sessions late this evening, I found what I wanted: Sue had picked up on the Grunaargh during the 598th session, which she’d recorded for me the evening after Jane had made the whole Sumari breakthrough in class, on November 23, 1971.)

(Before tonight’s session Jane told me that she felt the Grunaargh represented a variation of Seth’s Gramada family of consciousness. “But the important things are the family characteristics,” she said, “by whatever name. The similarities in the two names are legitimate, I think. There are also family combinations, and these will have their own names.” Then she reminded me that several times during the past week she’d felt that Borledim, the next family of consciousness on Seth’s list, is strongly concerned with parenthood and related roles.) (The “Unknown” Reality, Vol. 2, 1979/1996, p. 588-589.)

There’s additional material on the Grunaargh subfamily in Appendix 27, p. 802.

⁵Kris humorously refers to my first phone session on August 3, 2003 where we discussed Integral Conscious Creation and Psychology.

⁶Kris refers to my recent essay Who is the “You” in You Create Your Own Reality.

http://www.newworldview.com/library/Helfrich_P_Who_is_the_You_in_YCYOR_1.html

⁷Integral philosopher Ken Wilber formulated Integral Psychology in the 1990s. It includes all quadrants, levels, lines, states, and types or AQAL (pronounced “ah-qwal”). Wilber’s AQAL matrix is a comprehensive map intended to remind us to include objective, subjective, individual, and collective perspectives within developmental stages, while simultaneously factoring multiple intelligences, different states, and typologies.

Though that’s a mouthful, this integral approach synthesizes all current elements of Eastern and Western psychologies into a spectrum of consciousness. This spectrum includes the work of Baldwin, James, Meyers, Freud, Jung, Watson, Skinner, Rogers, Maslow, Assagioli, Graves, Piaget, Kohlberg, Gilligan, Loevinger, Beck, and many others from the Western psychological traditions. As well as Plato, Buddha, Plotinus, Augustine, Shankara, Nagarjuna, Patanjali, Coomaraswamy, Aurobindo, Maharshi, and many others from the Eastern and Western mystical traditions.

Integral Psychology is the most comprehensive map of human development devised to date. Noticeably absent, however, is Jane Roberts’s Aspect Psychology, which is still ahead of its time, and can easily be added to Wilber’s model. For more information, see Wilber’s Integral Psychology (2000), Shambhala, Boston, MA.

⁸My current hypothesis is:

Channeling is a spectrum of dissociative states that develops over time in distinct stages (in similar fashion to any multiple intelligence). This spectrum includes distinct secondary personalities, temporary outer egos (bridge personalities or personagrams) that offer knowledge beyond the capacity of the primary personality (outer ego).

⁹For example, Serge was familiar with the Edgar Cayce material in the very beginning, circa 1980, and had not yet encountered any of Jane Roberts work. Cayce was known as the “sleeping prophet” because he lay down during his sessions. So Kris used a laying down trance, just like Cayce, to maintain Serge’s comfort level. Later on, Serge employed a sitting and even a walking trance state to engage Kris.

¹⁰Sleep and dream researchers have mapped four main types of neurological focus in which our conscious mind and brains operate:

Beta – 14-100 cycles per second, normal alert waking state. Higher range associated with anxiety, dis-ease, fight or flight conditions.
Alpha – 8-13.9 cycles per second, just below the normal state of alertness. Associated with light relaxation, daydreaming, and self-reflection. A non-drowsy, yet relaxed, tranquil state of inward awareness that occurs before sleep. Beginning access to subconscious mind.
Theta – 4-7.9 cycles per second, deep relaxation, reverie, lucid dreaming, mental imagery, meditation, increased memory and focus, deep-rooted memories, and inspiration. Characterized mainly by light sleep, rapid eye movement (REM) dreams, and hallucinations. Hypnogogic imagery, deep meditation, access to subconscious mind.
Delta – .1-3.9 cycles per second, the deepest, most rejuvenating stage of dreamless, non-REM sleep and deep meditation. It also produces stress reduction, which can promote healing of the body. Human growth hormones released and loss of body awareness.

In this general context, Wilber identifies four general states, three “normal” ones and a fourth paranormal one that fall within the above as follows:

1. Waking (beta, alpha)
2. Dreaming (theta)
3. Dreamless sleep (delta)
4. Paranormal (beta, alpha, theta, delta)

Meditative
Drug-induced
Lucid dreams
Near-death experiences
Peak experiences, etc.

¹¹For an introduction to the Nine sisters, see:

http://www.krischronicles.com/transcripts2/9sisterspart1.html
http://www.krischronicles.com/transcripts2/9sisterspart2.html
http://www.krischronicles.com/transcripts2/9sisterspart3.html
http://www.krischronicles.com/transcripts2/9sister4-3h.html

For an introduction to the clans/clusters of consciousness, see:

http://www.krischronicles.com/transcripts2/clustersofconsciousness1-march22-04.html
http://www.krischronicles.com/transcripts2/familiesofconsciousness1-april5-04.html

¹²Jane experienced inner sounds that were sometimes to fast or slow to fully translate.

“I hear inner silence turn into inner sound. This may get too fast or too slow, so I readjust the focus of my consciousness often.” Adventures in Consciousness: An Introduction to Aspect Psychology (1997), p. 243.

Later, Jane connected these inner sounds with her “normal” neurological processing and pathways.

“The world as we experience it is the result of neurological conclusions reached by acknowledging certain sequences or series of stimuli and ignoring others, in line with learned models given to us in childhood. A kind of learned prejudiced is developed in which only a given series or sequence of neurological activity is accepted. The other quite-as-legitimate series remain almost as ghost images. We then organize our experience and shape events following the prime series.

“There is a correlation here with infinite and infinitesimal number patterns, or what can be called unofficial series. These, followed, would bring a different kind of events into experience, or events that would he other versions of the ones we recognize. The accepted, neurologically accepted series generally become habitual, and form a kind of perceptual path. This path is supported to some degree by hidden values or unofficial events and series that hide within the prime sequence. The brilliance and immediacy of the prime series washed out these other hidden or minor sequences. In this way, there is little difficult in distinguishing the biologically accepted series from those others that are biologically latent.

“We accept verbal but not telepathic communication, for example, even though telepathy is biologically built into the body mechanism. We simply ignore thou neurological stimulations and make no effort to stabilize or maintain such data. Often, however, we do use such information subconsciously, but it does not become a part of our established sense picture. That sequence, once activated, would automatically trigger other series with which it is connected, all dealing with what we would call unofficial information.

“Usually these unofficial perceptions aren't hooked up to our sense organs; that is, we ignore the data and the cues: we don't plug in, so that the information doesn't become solid sense data. When it does, for one reason or another, our lack of experience often causes us to run the two sequences together and bring in the unofficial information on the official line: The hidden values rise momentarily into prominence where they conflict for our attention with prime sense data. Actually there is a clear distinction between the two. Beside this, there are many alternate series, though many of these would make no sense in our accepted sequences. Events, for example, might be too large in space and rime, or too small, for our comprehension.” Psychic Politics: An Aspect Psychology Book (2000), p. 193-194.

Seth also commented upon the nature of inner sound.

“… your thoughts have a very definite vital reality.

“Beliefs are thoughts reinforced by imagination and emotion concerning the nature of your reality.

“Now thoughts in general possess an electromagnetic reality, but whether you know it or not, they also have an inner sound value.

“You know the importance of exterior sound. It is used as a method of communication, but it is also a by-product of many other events, and it affects the physical atmosphere. Now the same is true about what I will call inner sound, the sound of your thoughts within your own head. I am not speaking here of body noises, though you are usually oblivious to these also.

“Inner sounds have an even greater effect than exterior ones upon your body. They affect the atoms and molecules that compose your cells. In many respects it is true to say that you speak your body, but the speaking is interior.

“The same kind of sound built the Pyramids, and it was not sound that you would hear with your physical ears. Such inner sound forms your bone and flesh. The sound exists connected with but quite apart from the mental words you use in thinking.” The Nature of Personal Reality (1994), p.83-84.

¹³Here’s Seth on the importance of a loving technology:

“Ultimately your use of instruments, and your preoccupation with them as tools to study the greater nature of reality, will teach you one important lesson: The instruments are useful only in measuring the level of reality in which they themselves exist..

“They help you interpret the universe in horizontal terms, so to speak. In studying the deeper realities within and “behind” that universe, the instruments are not only useless but misleading. I am not suggesting that their use is futile, however-merely pointing out the limitations inherently involved.

“So-called objective science gives you a picture, a model, that has served well enough in its own fashion, enabling you to travel to the moon, for example, and to advance in a technology that for a time you set your hearts upon. In the framework of objective science as it now exists, however, even the technology will come up against a stone wall. Even as a means, objective science is only helpful for a while, because it will constantly run up against deeper inner realities that are necessarily shunted aside and ignored simply because of its method and attitude. No objective science or splendid technology alone will keep even one man or woman alive, for example, if that individual has decided to leave the flesh, or finds no joy in daily life.

“A loving technology, again, would always add to the qualitative and spiritual deepening of experience. The inner order of existence and true science go together. The true scientist is not afraid of identifying with the reality he chooses to study. He knows that only then can he dare to begin to understand its nature. There are many unofficial scientists, true ones in that regard, unknown in this age. Many are quite ordinary people in exterior terms, with other professions. Yet it is no accident that greater discoveries are often made by ‘amateurs -- those who are relatively free from official dogmas, released from the pressure to get ahead in a given field-those whose creativity flows freely and naturally in those areas of their natural interest.

“... Your own science has led you to its logical conclusion. It is not enough, and some suspect that its methods and attitudes have a built-in disadvantage. Physicists are going beyond themselves, so to speak, where even their own instruments cannot follow and where all rules do not apply. Even the prophet Einstein did not lead them far enough. You cannot stand apart from a reality and do any more than present diagrams of it. You will not understand its living heart or its nature.

“The behavior of electrons, for example, will elude your technological knowledge – for in deepest terms what you will ‘perceive’ will be a facade, an appearance or illusion. So far, within the rules of the game, you have been able to make your ‘facts’ about electrons work. To follow their multidimensional activity however is another matter – (humorously:) a pun-and you need, if you will forgive me, a speedier means.

“The blueprints for reality lie even beneath the electrons’ activity. As long as you think in terms of [subatomic] particles, you are basically off the track-or even when you think in terms of waves. The idea of interrelated fields comes closer, of course, yet even here you are simply changing one kind of term for one like it, only slightly different. In all of these cases you are ignoring the reality of consciousness, and its gestalt formations and manifestations. Until you perceive the innate consciousness behind any ‘visible’ or ‘invisible’ manifestations, then, you put a definite barrier to your own knowledge.” [session 702, June 10, 1974]

“... The unknown reality is the source for the known one. If you want to ‘discover’ how things work, then your journey must eventually lead you into the dimensions that lie within the world you know.

“You must therefore explore the psyche, the living consciousness. It will lead you to the withinness. This is not an impractical, but very practical, endeavor in all areas. Scientifically, studies would vastly enlarge your concepts so that a loving technology could follow the most beautiful contours of the mind, rising on the natural mountains of human abilities and then more easily into fulfillment.

“Medicine would gently and expertly encourage healing processes as it more fully understood the psyche’s great emotional being and needs. Learning would take advantage of the latent inner knowledge of the subjective self, and help it interpret itself in terms of physical life. The dream state would be seen as an inexhaustible fountain of information. Efforts could then be made to understand and interpret private symbolism, and individuals within a society would be taught to take advantage of their own inner data to enrich their personal lives and help the community.” [session 704, June 17, 1974].

¹⁴I had the following experience in mind when I made this comment. From my Dream Journal #1, December 6, 1979:

This is an historic account at least in my own personal inner development. Well folks, it finally happened. At a time when I least expected it, I had my big breakthrough-psychic-conversion experience. It seemed that I did the proper things at my usual waking level that served as a catalyst for this experience. And it occurred in such an unexpected environment. Of all places it happened at Kathy’s [my girlfriend at the time] grandmother’s apartment when we both went up this past weekend. It happened from @4-6:30 AM on December 2, 1979.

Our purpose in going up there was the see Kathy’s mother who has a brain tumor and might be dead in two years from cancer [she passed on 16 months later]. But the probability shifts that occurred there were very strong, intense, and important ones. Much inner energy was released as a result of the entire journey, all aspects of it, not just my psychic experience. I now stand on a new probable path, one that wouldn’t have occurred had I not gone to Williamsport [PA].

I am getting married to Kathy on January 19th, 1980. I saw Kathy’s family – except for [her brother] Mitty – and had my first psychic experience of a prolonged (2.5 hours) nature.

First, I just want to say a little bit about how intertwined all probabilities are because I’ve wanted an experience like this to occur for years, yet never seemed to do the proper things that would inevitably lead up to it. Kathy’s mother getting cancer is at the bottom of it. I know it sounds far-fetched, yet I also know that it’s true. Kathy’s mother adopted her symptoms at an inner level for a multitude of reasons as any individual adapts his or her own personal illnesses or state of health. These choices are direct reflections of our inner selves (psyches, souls, or whatever name you wish to use).

Anyway, I am not aware of the vast majority of her mother’s reasons for the cancer, but one of the offshoots directly affected me. When I heard the news [last month] I was deeply affected and driven to know why – why was this seeming tragedy happening to one so close? The need to know, my need to know was stimulated – triggered. I rushed headfirst back into my Seth reading, as I usually do when I reach a stagnant state – or when I get out of touch with my inner vitality.

The key was Jane’s book – The Education of Oversoul Seven. I read it in a three-day period over the recent Thanksgiving Holiday when Kathy first went home to see her ailing mother [without me]. I was in a depressed, confused state. I had to now why, why me, why her, why us?

Well, jumping back into the world of Seven was a perfect remedy. It helped to, once again, enlarge my perspective that had shrunk considerably during my intense focus in the pursuit of my Masters in Music from Temple University [in Philadelphia]. That perspective was enlarged considerably.

Also, since this was the second time that I read it, I noticed that I had a much larger perspective – framework – in which to interpret the book than in the previous reading. I saw how much I had grown in terms of learning and understanding the many Seth concepts – notably the seeming (to the physically oriented) paradox of simultaneous time combined with the multidimensional nature of probabilities. I was able to see things from the side of Seven – this is, I identified more with Seven’s point of view than I did the four human personalities involved [Ma-ah, Lydia, Proteus, and Joseph].

Also, I had read the book once, so I did have that omnipotent perspective of knowing how things were going to turn out, yet still, the bottom line is that the strangeness of the first reading was absent. And this can only mean that my beliefs have altered considerably since that time.

Thus, looking back on it, it was inevitable that my breakthrough experience occur. It was pure magic. A subjective knowing occurred at the deepest levels of my ego awareness and I was a changed person, highly changed when it was over. Now I don’t mean that the change was that great, but on my subjective-personal-private-reality-level (the one that the Seth material is primarily geared to) I was strongly changed.

As a result of the experience, I knew with an intense conviction, a deep sense of personal faith, that everything I’ve read in the Seth Material – despite whatever distortions exist – is 100% valid!!

Here’s a small account of the little I recall:

- I came awake in my dream, so wide awake – like I’ve done for several seconds many times before [well, seven in 1979 that I captured in my dream journal]. Yet this time it was different in that I stayed awake for over two hours! Of course, this experience occurred in many of the dream levels so there wa