Roll Call: Mark, Lida, Andrea and two new guests - Tal and Simone

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KRIS: We are happy to see your lovely selves here and we trust that you are all very comfortable. We thank the two of you for your support and concern for Joseph over the last week. <pointing at Andrea and Lida while referencing Serge’s coma and hospital stay>. It is appreciated.

Now this may end up being a some what very different evening but none the less we shall proceed. We will return to the naming of these clusters of consciousness at a later date. for the time being we would also like to introduce something that we have spoken about some time back, as far back as the late eighties, 1988, 1989. And it belongs in the thread of conversations that we have evolved over the last three months.

Now in his books, Seth has referred to ‘Sleep Walkers’ and the personality Elias has referred to the ‘Dream Walkers’. Sometime back we had named these expressions of consciousness as ‘Dream Ancestors’. You may have occasionally heard us refer to them.

To be more specific there are portions or aspects of your inner or higher or essence selves that are even more removed from the ordinary involvements of reality creation as you understand it. There are then portions of your own selves that are more or less fascinated with and focused upon the formation of ‘proto matter’ or that energy and idea construction that has yet to be transformed into the regularly recognized matter that comes in the forms of the realities that you experience then objectively. Such as the objects that compose the physical world before they become physical realities.

You may also call them ‘Pseudo Realities’ that have not yet attained a certain degree of acceleration that permits individualized focused consciousness to perceive that reality through the auspices of the physical senses. That pseudo or proto matter appears to your inner senses as less formulated not so cleanly or tightly composed matter as you understand. Such as that matter that is the table made of stone in this room.

All the other physical objects including the room as it would exist in another frame or layer of reality not quite solid, some what removed from its aspects of solidity. There are therefore beings and consciousnesses that lay down system codes in these other regions of consciousness where energy is manipulated and formulated in such a manner that it will then be usable to those families of consciousness from which you have your own sources in terms of inner selves and obviously not physical selves for physical selves are partially tied into the resources directly connected with physical reality and the natural world as you understand it. That part of yourselves, though extremely valid and unique is NOT your entire selves, these beings that serve as the builders, the organizers of the codes and systems that will eventually become usable matter for you to manipulate.

We refer to them as the ‘Dream Ancestors’ for a variety of reasons. One of which is that their natural environment is one that resembles, is akin to those deeper layers where you have dream experiences usually not translatable by the conscious mind. Some of the deeper layers of dream realities, where enormous amounts of energy flow in and out of your selves usually dropping tidbits or if you wish small units and parcels of energy and concepts into those areas of dream exploration that are so foreign to your conscious selves that they rarely ever appear in your dreams states, unless there is a sufficient and adequate amount of dream practice to tap into those layers.

These Dream Ancestor beings as we have explained in the past, consider you and the individuals in your physical world as a type of progeny, descendants of their own, as projections of part of their own energy or consciousness that reaches far out into regions of reality that they may not even be aware of. If they are aware of it they often pay little attention to it because they are generally pre-occupied in an entirely different function, that of preparing the raw materials and concepts of energy to codes and systems that will eventually trickle down into the layers of realities from framework layer 4,3,2 into physical reality or layer one, framework 1 where you make use of your thoughts, your emotions, your feelings, your convictions, your attitudes and expectations and many other attributes that then mold or form energy into specific events that become your daily lives that becomes the circumstances and the conditions and the props found in your singular, social and collective lives.

There are ways to tap into those deeper regions of consciousness. Those deeply recessed portions of reality that normally you would be completely ignorant of simply because the concepts are quite different from those which you concern yourself with on a daily basis. But it is possible and perhaps after break we will describe some simple methods that will enable you to at least sense the outer edges of the consciousnesses involved with those dream ancestors so that you have a certain perception of vast and far reaching this inner self network truly is.

Now we also wish to make certain that our new friends are disoriented overly or simply do not understand the process. What we have been doing for the last several months is mapping out far reaching regions or areas of consciousness that will enable the reader of this material to understand that they have at their disposal tools and resources far beyond their expectations or even their immediate knowledge but a knowledge that can be used to further enhance the value fulfillment of personal and collective lives.

So now we will take a short break and we return to the room to you momentarily.

7:50 PM Break Starts

During break Serge answers questions about Kris for Tal and Simone. We also discuss some of the threads that Kris has been covering for the last three months. Simone mentioned that her consciousness was drifting in and out of the room. She claims that this has been happening to her for her whole life.

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8:09 Pm Kris Returns

KRIS: Now we are glad then that you have not blown any fuses (referencing Tal and Simone) and you are still here even if you slip in and out of your usual awareness (Simone). That should indicate to you something specific. Have you given it any thought?

<No reaction from Simone>

Mark to Simone: Does that indicate anything to you, that you were slipping in and out?

Simone: Does that indicate anything to me? It is just something <Simone is speaking very softly and I can’t make out her words>…It’s like a floating thing in space.

KRIS: Because you have an innate predisposition to play with altered or trance states, all individuals have this propensity in varying degrees, some more than others, some less than others. You have yet to find your own balance and direction with this but it is somewhat more prevalent within you than some of the people that you hang out with. Does that make some sense to you?

Simone: No.

Which part of this do you not understand?

Mark to Simone: Basically your consciousness is playing with the concepts of trance and dream states by going in and out (of them). YOU play with the concepts more than others like your friends and the people around you. That is your consciousness playing with these concepts.

KRIS: In other words, if we were to compare it to learning how to swim you would be better at and you would learn more rapidly than others because you would have a natural tendency to be a swimmer. In this case you have a natural tendency to engage and withdraw your concentration into other areas of consciousness. Are you familiar with the classis YO-YO? (Yes).

Indeed. When you release the Yo-Yo it extends and when it has reached the limits of its momentum it is drawn back up the string, does it not? Consciousness functions in a similar manner. It extends towards the objects of the senses, the physical world and then with its own momentum it returns. The larger portion of society is unaware of this cyclical function like tides of consciousness, ebbing and receding on and off. From our perspective you have a better disposition to be aware of this process. You have yet to find a way to put it to some good use. It is not simply that you may have some A.D.D. or that you are more of a day dreamer in that sense of the word BUT you do play with even if unawares in more than the physical field of consciousness.

Simone: Yes...(mumbled something else).

KRIS: We didn’t hear.

Simone: Yes I understand.

KRIS: In other words to that line if you did wish to learn how to engage an energy exchange with another personality essence whether you call it your spirit guides, your inner self, your higher self, your over soul, your essence it would likely produce effects and results with some consideration and with some practices. You would have to overcome your own hesitations and your own fears in those areas but you have the predisposition towards this ability. You have a strong sense of the imagination. You daydream well. You also have a strong sense of whom you are and of personality. Those combinations may function to your advantage if you were t explore learning to put this ability to some practical use. Does this make sense to you? (Yes).

You also often feel around you, here and there as if you may have a friend or a companion or even a presence visiting you from time to time. Is that not correct? That may be an intermediary aspect of your own inner self letting you understand and helping you acclimatize to the idea that you are self but there are other selves to you, that you are one of many. Does that make some sense to you? (Yes). Indeed. Do you have any questions?

Simone: (giggling) I don’t know. Not specifically.

KRIS: What does one do with a precious gem? That you will have to explore on your own at this time and come up with answers. As Joseph has expressed a short while ago there is an offering of a series of evenings to the development of this channeling or exchanging ability. You may explore it and see what you think. The decision must be yours.

Do you have questions (pointing at Tal). You are so silent and yet so full of thoughts.

Now if you do ask a question please do not be afraid to speak up so that your voice will go on the recording gizmo.

Tal: No I don’t have many questions. I usually answer them myself over time. I work more by feeling. If I feel something then that is the way I should go (with that feeling). It is not about its not about…

KRIS: Indeed. You could refer to it as your intuition, your intuitive self, that intuitive impulse.

Tal: That is what I am getting but it’s the question that I am looking for.

[Mark’s notes: It is difficult to make out Tal and Simone’s words because they speak softly and English is not their primary language even though they do speak it well. They have mild accents.]

KRIS: Indeed. You may even engage your own inner self to help more directly through the use of autosuggestion and especially the use of your dreams. Do you take the time to write your dreams? (No). You might find a great deal of benefit even if you think you do not remember your dreams. Working with autosuggestion to enhance your dream recall can be a good point of departure and then requesting and lovingly suggesting to your loving self that you would like more clarity on the usefulness of your intuitions and information that helps you make better use of your inner senses could prove most beneficial, bringing up from the so called unconscious those gems and the information to the conscious self so that you may use it directly in your everyday life. Does that make sense to you?

Any other questions feel free.

Tal comments on waking from a dream and going to write it down and not having anything to write.

KRIS: Even if there is nothing to immediately recall in your dream book write: “I am still working on recalling my dream” and keep it there. If later on in the day you remember one or two images only, write that down too and keep priming the pump. Do you know what that means? (No).

When someone has an old well as a source of water they can usually make water rise to the pump faster by actually adding a bit of water to the top part of the pump but when they use the pump they create first a rising of the water. That is called priming the pump. Thus by writing down even the smallest bits of information even if they do not make sense to your rational mind, write it down until such a point that you may actually remember an entire minute or two or ten or twenty.

Keep various dreams separate from each other so that you can imagine over a period of time you can accumulate quite a volume of dream writings and you can use what you have written from your dreams as a guide book or even a map to your dreaming mind and what it does. And notice for instance that a large portion of dreams contain clairvoyant, intuitive information and using the methods of autosuggest you can keep enhancing that ability to write your dreams, to remember them and to actually use your dreams for extremely practical, down to Earth purposes to enhance the value fulfillment of your daily lives, the conditions of your existence working with your inner self and your intuitions and so on. So that not of this remains a mystery to you but that actual, factual working knowledge and thus see yourself transformed by the very use and application of that knowledge that comes from within the vast field of events.

There are two kinds of information, two kinds of knowledge. There is the official body of information, the official line of consciousness which is the information and the material that you receive in the every day world which often can be watered down to a simple statement or two. You are born and you die and there is nothing else. You come from monkeys, your existence is finite and once you reach that finite end your personality is gone.

Then there is the unofficial line of information, the unofficial reality. THAT unofficial reality states that you’re an immortal and eternal consciousness, you have your being outside the concepts of time and space though your being is being projected into time and space as the physical selves that you know. Though those very physical selves may take birth and will die, YOU will continue to BE. That unofficial line of consciousness exists beneath and it APPEARS here and there, both in the physical world and in your physical lives, in your physical thoughts. It speaks through all of those but often is missed because you are not trained to observe it, catch it in action so to speak.

In other words the unofficial line of consciousness could be compared to having a mouse in the house. You may catch a quick movement out of the corner of your eye but by the time you turn your head there is nothing to look at. The mouse has already skid-daddled out of there WITH the cheese. Though you may tell that you have a mouse by the signs it leaves behind.

The wind can also be used to compare the unofficial line of consciousness. You do not see the wind yet you can see its affect when it blows through the branches and the leaves or picks up the dust in the street or when it is strong enough to shake the very foundation of your house though you can not see it. Similarly the unofficial line of consciousness is ever present in your environment, in nature, in your thoughts but you have been trained to only catch the glimpses from the official line of consciousness here and not pay attention to the VAST body of consciousness that actually provides and gives a foundation to the official line.

Therefore utilizing simple things such a suggestions, dreams will begin to observe that there other things that are going on within reality other than the accepted version of reality itself. The unknown reality can and does appear when you allow it to and it may come in the form of countless intuitive impulses. How many times, for example do you think of a friend that you have not seen or heard from in some time and within moments you get a phone call from so and so, Mr. or Mrs. Not Seen In A Long Time. Or you go and run a small errand to the supermarket and whom do you bump into but that individual that you were thinking of. This is an example only and there are countless others like it.

It is a matter of what you are paying attention to. What kind of thoughts do you focus upon? Where is your consciousness focused on? For indeed the greater reality gives rise to the reality that you are accustomed to being in. Without this greater reality the one that you know as the official line of consciousness could not possibly exist any more than you could exist without breathing. But it is not officially realized yet though there are indications that can be found like clues everyday.

Do you not think that is well put and it makes sense to you? And you? (Pointing at different people).

Now perhaps to give you an indication along those lines there is the official you and you (pointing again) the physical self, the ego structure, the body that you have and there is Andrea and Lida and yet each of you is far greater than anything that you think about yourself at any given time for frankly very often if you were to become what you think about yourselves you would be in a dire situation, correct?

This greater self can also have a name and it may not respond at all to the names that you were given at birth which express the unique personalities that you are from your parents heritages. You are as we described moments ago Eternal and Immortal Selves and you are many in one and yet you are still one. You are a gestalt which simply means that you are more than all of the sums of your parts put together and still you are more than what you may understand about yourselves at any given time.

We will give you all a name because it may help create a resonance, a tie in with that greater self that you can use as a meditation, that you can use to reflect upon and that you can use to try and sense the outer and inner edges of that greater self that you are through this name for it will summon up more of whom and what you are than you can possibly think or imagine at any given time.

So for you, your first name is Simone, correct? (Yes). Now we have a lovely name for you and we hope that it will find resonance with you. We will call you TILLIK.

MARK: How would you spell that?

KRIS: TILLIK. And for you (Tal) we will call you RAAVEN, not Raven the bird but RAAVEN. These are simply means that you can get in touch with fields or resonance of the vibrations of your own greater selves, liking ringing the door bell so to speak. Do you follow?

Indeed. Now of course you are waiting for yours (Laughter) and no we will not do as Joseph has done and call you the ‘Licorice Ladies’ (more laughter). We will call you, Andrea, JARASEN and we will call you, Lida, MIRIAM.

They can sometimes sound like male or female names but they are not gender specific. They are meant as we have suggested, for you to tap into a greater reservoir of selves than you may normally have access to as a means of expressing more of whom and what you are. Now we will take a few moments break and let you ponder the unponderables.

8:40 PM Break Starts

Mark’s Notes: Serge and I have a Dalmatian dog named Sarah whose favorite thing in the whole world is red licorice. When Andrea and Lida visit they often bring Sarah some licorice, thus the joke the ‘Licorice Ladies’.

Please note that our dog is a Dalmatian not Daalmaation, just another joke for our friends over on Newworldview.com.

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9:00 Pm Session Resumes

KRIS: Now we hope that you have enjoyed your evening and that you use your essence names to reflect upon your own deeper nature. Use it as a bridge. Use the resonance to create a connection with your inner selves with that greater nature and greater reality that is your being. Use it also to create recognition and validity for the unique selves that you each are for no one can create that validation other than your own personal being.

We trust that you will explore those dimensions of love uniqueness and a greater consciousness of your being. So do enjoy your week and if you both care to return (Tal and Simone) you both know what to do.

In the meantime ENJOY YOUR LIVES. That is what life is meant for, your enjoyment and not your suffering, that you live every moment in a joyous embrace with life and with that we send you each on your journey to embrace life joyously and have fun.

9:03 PM Session Ends