Kris Radio: "Image"-Nation or Imagination

Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Lisa Q. Pratt (Lauromar)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on October 25, 2007

MARK: Good evening and welcome to Kris radio here on thatradio.com. My name is Mark Bukator and I will be co-hosting the show this evening along with…

JOHN: Along with your friend John Hawkins who is very happy to be… happy to be… what my happy about?

SERGE: Just happy to be happy.

JOHN: Anyway I'm just happy. Well I went to “The Happiness Project” so that's my excuse. Here we are, Thursday night again, Kris radio in the offing… and of course we have to pay due consideration to our dear friend Serge.

SERGE: And welcome everyone to another episode of Kris radio show on thatradio.com.

MARK: So actually Matthew is not able to join us tonight but in lieu of, we have Alan in Colorado, correct?

ALAN: Yeah, if I'm coming through.

MARK: Yeah!

JOHN: Yeah!

SERGE: That’s really good!

MARK: Nice and clear, Alan.

ALAN: Yeah, I get to be Matt for a day.

(Laughter)

ALAN: By the way he sends his regards, he said he left Ottawa at 8 o’clock last night, got two hours sleep and is in the middle of Missouri, and we always called it the state of misery, so I think it's probably appropriate.

(Laughter)

MARK: Now we know why!

(More chuckling)

JOHN: Well were going to have, I'm sure we're going to have a very, very entertaining radio show. You know these radio shows are becoming world famous.

MARK: Indeed.

JOHN: I get the odd e-mail, not… not a lot, but occasionally I get an e-mail from people saying “Oh, we heard you on the Kris radio” and it's wonderful to hear that stuff so I think you know, we should be aware that we’re talking to the whole planet and to the ages here.

MARK: Oh indeed, indeed. And since I’ve got the world by the ear… (chuckling)  I'm just gonna throw a teaser out for the next Kris workshop next spring in Arizona. And this is gonna be a retreat.

JOHN: Oh!

MARK: It's going to be… actually at Matt and Nicole’s property, we believe we can put 40 people on the property so the price of the workshop…

SERGE: And maybe even more.

MARK: Maybe even more, the price of the workshop will include your stay, your meals, and it’s gonna include a visit to Sedona with Kris, oh it’s gonna be wild… quite the event.

JOHN: That sounds great!

MARK: Yeah.

JOHN: Yeah!

MARK: So yeah, that's probably gonna be, yeah, right now we’re looking at March 8th and 9th, Saturday, Sunday.

JOHN: And with the loonie at the par, hopefully, still. [The Canadian Dollar coin is referred to as a “loonie” because of the loon depicted on one side of it.]

MARK: Or higher.

JOHN: I think we’ll be able to do a little…is there gonna be a shopping trip worked into the itinerary?

MARK: Why not? You create your own reality!

(Laughter)

MARK: And we have a CMI this Sunday.

JOHN: Oh yeah.

MARK: As well as an International Sunday isn’t it?

SERGE: Yes.

MARK: Is it International or is it Toronto?

JOHN: International.

MARK: International this Sunday as well. So we’re looking forward to those events!

JOHN: And how’s the video experiment coming?

MARK: Oh um well…

SERGE: Which one?

(Laughter)

SERGE: You mean like “The Happiness Workshop” video?

JOHN: Well the streaming video of various events is that…

SERGE: Oh there still some things to be worked out and for instance if somebody’s, if we’re doing it at home with a speakerphone like we did for the last CMI, CMI last Sunday morning…

JOHN: Right.

SERGE: Then you know, everyone has to be aware that they need to turn their speakers off if they're also using a phone or a speakerphone because then there’s double feedback coming through our phone line, so just little things that need to be worked out. But it’ll eventually, you know…

MARK: Basically the video feed should be considered like a TV show and it can't be interactive, and that's the problem. We've been trying to make it interactive. So when you’re on the phone and watching the video there’s… there can be up to a one minute delay, usually around 14 seconds but depending on where you are and what type of internet connection you have. So if you're watching the video, you're gonna be behind.

JOHN: Yeah.

MARK: So and then what happens is, Kris starts talking and then it comes through 14 seconds or more later on somebody's computer and comes out the speakers into their microphone, it comes back to our speakerphone and then ends up on the air again, back through our system (chuckling)

JOHN: That was happening last time.

MARK: Yeah.

JOHN: Yeah, it’s a little disconcerting. It puts a strain even on our simultaneous multidimensional nature.

MARK: Yeah, indeed. So were gonna have to look at using it as a broadcast only, a non-interactive video feed.

JOHN: Well that’s fine.

SERGE: if you find a way to interact with the feed and then you can interact with your TV, then give us a call, we want to patent that.

(Laughter)

JOHN: But you know, just a thought, I’m considering what you're describing here, but if it's not interactive, then it doesn't have to be real time.

MARK: Right, well exactly and that's what we're moving to next I think, is Kris video…

SERGE: Like video pods.

MARK: …video pods.

JOHN: Yeah, like the inductions that you download, you can download the video show!

MARK: Exactly!

SERGE: And actually… was it yesterday or Tuesday? It would've been Tuesday I think, Kris did another one, he called it “The Art of Mood” and it's basically a relaxation technique to actually change your mood if you don't like the mood you’re in.
JOHN: Oh that’s very handy.

SERGE: And it's about 26 - 27 minutes, so it’s one of the longer ones so far. And I tried to upload it today but the servers were down, I couldn’t upload it at all, but I would imagine that in the next 24 hours it’ll be available. It's called “The Art of Mood”.

JOHN: And even though it's that long, is it still the same price?

SERGE: Yeah.

JOHN: Like you know, five bucks or whatever.

SERGE: Yeah. $5.99.

MARK: And we’re still on the process of working on the website so there are some distorted links, links that go to the wrong pages…

SERGE: Or nowhere.

MARK: Or nowhere, but on the major page, the links all work and I’m trying very hard to straighten those out but that’s coming along and I think in the long run we’re gonna change the website completely again but… to a much better and easier to use system where I’m not chasing links down all the time.

JOHN: Good plan!

MARK: So that’s coming down the pipe as well.

JOHN: Well you know the way the web is going, I don't know like, I have joined Netfirms and you go in there and you pick, you say you want to create a blog and it's all done for you, it's all, you just, you pick the look and feel that you want and they've got like easily 50 different looks and you just pick it and in fact I've been playing with it today even after your blog is up and you've got a bunch of material in it, you can still change the, it's like a skin…

MARK: Yeah, exactly.

JOHN: …you can still change the look and feel of it, but with no programming at all. It’s great!

MARK: Technology!

JOHN: So I think that's the way websites are likely gonna go.

MARK: Oh yeah, big time, big time. So we’re looking at all the different options possible and moving forward with that.

(Pause)

MARK: We don't know the theme tonight but I'm sure it's going to be a continuation of the continuum that we've been following the last…

JOHN: It’ll be more sutra, more sutras of the Orodin.

MARK: Its part of the continuum.

JOHN: Yes of course! The “K” continuum.

(Chuckling)

KRIS: Indeed we trust that you are comfortable and we thank you for your lovely consideration.

ALL: Thank you.

KRIS: Now do you recall anything about last week's show?

JOHN: Absolutely! Some wonderful material in last week's show about how we create our reality and using the tool box in a constructive rather than a repair mode.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: And also using pixels, the units of consciousness to create health, healing or manifesting, one pixel at a time.

KRIS: Now we presented this idea with a very specific goal of assisting the individual (to) train himself or herself in a very gentle but disciplined fashion. In other words, to practice this art of utilizing your inner vision or you may call it your imagination or image nation if you like, however you wish to pronounce it or say it or call it. And it is a faculty that you cannot function without, period. This faculty is sometimes more pronounced, more acute, more intense with some individuals and less with others, and some are convinced that they simply do not have this ability until you point out to them that they do.

So in other words, you cannot have your existence without this ability, the ability to image, to create imagery in your mind's eye. It is the basic and primary method of communication, not only amongst your own kind but with other life forms or species as well. And it is strictly related to what you call the intuitions. You do not primarily communicate with the words. At that layer of consciousness, syntax is considered secondary and even at times to be too cumbersome to utilize. So images, as is often said, “pictures are worth a thousand words”, stands true.

These abilities to image in your mind, to create and receive image, encapsulates a much more rapid system of communication since images encapsulating thousands of meanings and words, can be projected a most individuals faster than thought itself. And this ability is innate to all life forms, even those life forms you would consider inconsequential, which by the way there is no such thing as an inconsequential life form.

The clarity, the preciseness, the depth, the intensity and so on, of the images in your mind precipitates the creation of events and circumstances, conditions etcetera. The clearer the image, the more intense the levels of energy behind it, and it does not necessarily mean that the more clear and intense an image is, that it is a guarantee of it manifesting in the way you are accustomed to.

It does mean however that your own inner experiences can be that much sharper, enhanced and profound. And even for those individuals who are uncertain if they are able to see these images in their mind's eye, a simple question can rectify that and put it into context. Now we have encountered individuals that are convinced that such imageries should immediately begin appearing in three dimensional form in front of them instantly. For instance, if you ask of them to visualize a pool, a swimming pool, they may feel that this swimming pool should appear in front of them physically now.

MARK: Sort of like the Nestea plunge?

(Chuckling)

KRIS: Quite. Precisely! However, that is not necessarily the case, but a simple questions such as if we were to ask you what is the color of your bedspread?

JOHN: Mine at home is actually, it's a kind of a Southwest multicolor thing, browns, greens…

KRIS: Indeed and if we were to ask Hugh the color of his bedspread?

HUGH: It's uh, yeah, it’s got some gold in it, some burgundy.

KRIS: Indeed and yours?

MARK: Lately, silver. (Chuckling)

KRIS: Indeed. How did you all come about deciding this?

MARK: Visualized it.

JOHN: I saw it in my mind’s eye!

KRIS: Indeed. So you brought the image from your memory up to your awareness.

JOHN: Instantly!

KRIS: You pilfered through your files, in other words and found one that said “bedspread” and brought it up into your mind's eye so you can then examine it! And that is what this is all about. Simple is it not?

JOHN: Works great!

KRIS: Very simple process. Any other imageries can be brought up at any time from any event in your life. Some may be more difficult to bring up in terms of memory, depending on how buried it is and how much importance or significance you give it, as a means to be recalled. Nonetheless, all such images belong to the realm of the imagination. Without it, you could also not figure out what you will wear tomorrow at the office because you have to imagine yourself first, wearing it. Nor what kind of car you would like to drive in because you have to picture it.

JOHN: May I just interject a quickie?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Let say… this came up for me recently… let's say what I want is something that really isn't… like for instance, I want a fulfilling job. Well that's really, there's really no image that… like you know…

KRIS: Indeed. The vagary of it is such that your subconscious mind has nothing to grab on to, to give it substance. But if you can define a fulfilling job and add in the details, including what you will feel like doing that job and what you will gain from it, what the outcome of such a job is, then definitely, your subconscious mind has some material to work with.

JOHN: Ah, okay. So it's helpful to break it down into actual experiences.

KRIS: Indeed. And of course they are all entirely subjective. However, the strength of that subjective event is such that it gives it fuel, it gives it substance, with which the subconscious mind or if you wish, your inner self has something to work with. And there is a greater likelihood that you will actually experience it in your physical life.

MARK: I guess it would also be important to imagine the “do wants” in a job and not the “don't wants” in a job.

KRIS: Of course, because the “don't wants” only bring more of what you do not want. Now, all that being said, the reason why we began describing this ability to create pictures or images from the ground up in your mind's eye is to accustom the individual to be clear in the mind, to use the innate properties of consciousness in such a manner that you can also intensely feel and live the experience without any doubt whatsoever, since you understand the process. Does that make sense to you?

ALL: Yes.

JOHN: For sure.

KRIS: Now what do you imagine would be the purpose in our doing this so far?

JOHN: I imagine that you're laying the groundwork for us to… I mean obviously this is learning how to image and create what we want, so I see a movement in the last two or three months away from fixing problems and bringing us up to kind of par to sort of looking at our potential and saying “hmm, why don't we bring some of this untapped potential into play?”

KRIS: Indeed. Now then, since part of your assumption is based on what you have experienced so far, and in part based upon what you might project with a certain kind of ambiguity, all very nicely done. We may perhaps expand upon it some more…

JOHN: Please.

KRIS: …in the sense that if we invite you or you or you or any of you to begin journeying with us into the inner reaches or the inner dimensions of your own selfhood, where you need to recognize more and more, the power that exists within that dimension of Self, where this tool of imaging is a prerequisite so that you can actually relate to it, then you might have some significant experiences. Does that make sense?

MARK: Yes it does and I think what we’re talking about here is often left out of this modern, new age material on conscious creation or it’s very quickly brushed over, but yet it’s very integral part of it, it’s key.

KRIS: Indeed. The exploration of those unofficial lines of your personal consciousness may contain far more wisdom, knowledge and practical experiences that can assist you in tearing back what you call the veil of unknowing in such a fashion that you can experience without a doubt, those greater dimensionalities of your Being, that you can travel into other areas where your experiences, though not conforming to the official line of consciousness, still have a great deal of validity.

Many of you have great desires to meet or discover other kinds of energies. And many of you expect that actually they will simply drop into your living room. Perhaps even say something like “hi, we are just dropping by, nevermind us.”  Unfortunately such experiences will not necessarily be what will happen, but by utilizing your innate properties of consciousness in such a clear, distinct fashion, then the experiences attain a unique validity all their own and need no justification, might need proper interpretation, especially in the initial stages.

This is an opportunity then to discover other aspects of your own multidimensional nature. Many of you are very willing to accept the idea that you and the universe are one. Well what if that universe started revealing itself to you, what then? What if it did call your bluff?

(Chuckling)

JOHN: That might take some getting used to.

KRIS: Indeed. That is part of the widening of awareness that comes with this shift, this renaissance in consciousness. There was indeed a time, not that long ago, when certain gateways were opened, where the beliefs of the collective were such that occurrences with the divines or deities, sometimes even referred to as supernatural beings, were not the kind of thing that would have you put away, questioning your sanity. Do you follow?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: People were wont to see angelic or divine beings. In the ancient Greek customs and other civilizations, dream encounters and sometimes even waking encounters with the gods and goddesses were not cause to have you put in a straight jacket but were often reason to consult with the Oracles. Do you follow?

JOHN: I think so.

MARK: Yeah, it’s over the years and centuries…

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: …and decades of past, everybody’s and every culture has had contact, so to speak, and be it using their belief structures, but now once you get into this day and age, every time you say you've seen anything spiritual, metaphysical or foreign, you're crazy.

KRIS: Hmm, perhaps not crazy, but the doctor has appeal for it.

(Laughter)

KRIS: In such days and times, it was actually part of the cultural beliefs that such visions and inner experiences, whether in dreams or waking states, were a signal, a communication from the deities, from the supernatural beings. Nowadays, the story is very different and there was a time when the tide occurred and things changed and order was put upon your culture and civilization, such that if any man, woman or child saw anything but these precise things, they were considered quite dangerous, put to death or tortured, and the authority of the leaders was never to be questioned. Do you follow?

MARK: Yes.

(John Confirms)

KRIS: And those who thought differently were simply dispensed with. Thus for a time, such experiences were literally submerged in the subconscious. And it must be understood that such visitations, visions and inner experiences, waking or sleeping, had to do with other aspects of the individuals themselves that were camouflaged in the beliefs, the religions of the times. Do you follow?

MARK: Yes.

JOHN: I think so.

KRIS: And today’s renaissance is no different.

JOHN: So may I just leap in and paraphrase?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: It seems to me you're suggesting that with our… by practicing this imagery process and by understanding that when we perceive things we’re actually creating them, and by understanding that we have untapped, vast untapped potential, it seems to me you're describing the possibility of us having experiences within the reasonable future that are akin, related, similar to the kinds of things you're describing that happened in the past.

KRIS: And not necessarily always things that happened in the past but it is definitely such that you can reawaken that inner talent to communicate, to open the portals or gateways to those other, we will simply call them “higher”, but that is not an absolutely appropriate word because it offers distortion, but this other more mature or sometimes less mature aspect of your own multidimensional Self or experience. And you need a medium, do forgive the pun, but you do need a certain kind of medium within which those experiences are translated and that medium is your imagination.

JOHN: Oh, that’s interesting.

KRIS: So if it is unprepared, then again, you might have difficulties holding the imagery and the experience and the exchange involved. We are not claiming here that of course everyone will now be having energy exchanges left, right and center because many people still, even though they think they actually know what an energy exchange is, have no clue what it is. All that said and done, if you wish to run a 5 or 10 K, do you simply decide one morning and get up and run 5 or 10 K?

MARK: No, you rehearse, you practice, you exercise, you workout, you limber up.

JOHN: You get new shoes.

KRIS: Indeed. You prepare, you practice. You make yourself available for that purpose, correct?

MARK: Correct.

KRIS: The same applies if you want to become a cordon bleu chef. You don't suddenly, one day walk into a world class restaurant, put on a tall white hat and say “now I am a cordon bleu chef and I will cook you the best damn hot dog you have ever had.”

(Laughter)

KRIS: And no matter whether it is Shopsey’s or not, or an Oscar Meyer, that will not do. Everything you do, you practice at. When you were children and you practiced at walking so that you could walk. You crawled, you took your first steps, you imagined yourself going from the couch to the coffee table even if you did fall once or twice on your bum, correct?

MARK: Correct.

JOHN: Oh yeah.

KRIS: Therefore what we are suggesting follows those same lines, a certain amount of practice makes for an enhanced ability to fine tune that imagination of yours. Whether you have sexual fantasies or not is not the point. The point is to focus upon where that energy is and what it is creating in the mind, what you are creating in the mind and what you are allowing yourself to create. Does that make sense to you?

MARK: Yes it does.

(John confirms)

JOHN: So Kris what would the practice elements be then, just simply being aware of where our attention, what… surely that’s not enough, I mean…

KRIS: That is correct.

MARK: But obviously, what we’ve been talking about, of visualizing creation and from pixel one up…

KRIS: For instance we may suggest something as simple as actually getting a small candle, even a tea light candle and lighting in it and observing it, getting a very clear image of the wick and the flame, the wax melting, how the flame may flicker or hold steady, its brightness, its intensity and so on and so forth, then closing your eyes and fixing that image for as long as possible in your mind's eye, holding that flame in the mind. You may also utilize such a small practice to enhance your meditation abilities. The point is to hold the picture in your mind as long as possible, and even at different times to bring it back, to fix your mind upon it again, even to the point where it begins to feel hot watching the flames so close up, becoming adept at holding that image and very little else.

JOHN: Can I ask a, maybe a kind of stupid question here, Kris? Do we not run… that if we do that, do we not run the danger of just having millions of candles appear in our lives?

(Chuckling)

KRIS: Not necessarily. But you do run the risk of becoming quite adept at holding images very clearly in your mind's eye. What that can do for you is to prepare a foundation so that when you allow your consciousness to travel with us and interpret those deeper inner experiences that may even be in the realms of other aspects of your Being, you may then have the ability to use the canvas of your mind to translate those experiences in terms that you can define, that you can make sense of, because if you cannot make sense of it, you will simply not get it, period.

JOHN: So am I getting that you’re saying… that hinting that you might be taking us on some adventures in practice?

KRIS: Not today, but hopefully we will begin with CMI.

JOHN: A-ha, okay.

KRIS: All of this lays the foundation to get in touch with those more mature aspects of your own Self.

MARK: If I could just jump in here, I think also what's being said is that in order to move forward in deepening our awareness of Self, we’re gonna be going to places that is… are very foreign to the ego.

KRIS: Perhaps not so foreign, but more so finally, allowing your conscious self to interact with subjective areas of consciousness that have been there all along but that have simply been pushed away perhaps out of fear or unknowing.

MARK: Okay, that makes sense to me.

KRIS: Your personality structure is such that it can accommodate a great number of experiences that you or some others may consider unofficial. And it is a very fine thing indeed to talk about the unofficial line of consciousness and those greater aspects of your being, but do you not think it is time now, that even though you can talk about it, intellectualize it, philosophize it, now you can also actually meet the damn things!

JOHN: Yes!

MARK: Y-e-y!

JOHN: Good idea!
KRIS: What are these strange aspects of your Being? How would you interpret their energies? What communications could they possibly have for you? What experiences can they share with you and unfold with you? How might you be able to actually tap into them and how do they fit in to the greater scheme of things?

You are accustomed to thinking of yourself as one thing only, even though you say you are all things, even the you say you are one, you have no idea of what that one is. Well now is the time. And each person's experience will be individualized and translated through the references that you hold within your awareness, within your conscious mind and subconscious mind. The beautiful aspect of all of this is that these communications may come in a variety of shapes and forms and colors and so on, but they too can be translated into direct wells of wisdom. You can consider then, psychological facsimiles of truth and wisdom. You know what a facsimile is of course?

MARK: Indeed, a copy, similar, duplicate.

KRIS: It represents the original but is not the original. And similarly, many, many experiences to be had concerning these greater aspects of your Being, as you will experience them, are facsimiles. They are representative, not necessarily the real thing, but as close as you can get within your sphere of influence, and they will reveal thus, so much more about your own potential. Does that make sense?

JOHN and MARK: Yes.

KRIS: And indeed what is the time?

MARK: 8:45.

KRIS: Then perhaps there might be a question or two from Skype-landers?

ALAN: Well I might be able to come up with a couple here that are on the topic.

(Pause)

ALAN: If you guys are able to hear me, I had dropped out there for a minute.

MARK: You’re good.

KRIS: Indeed, simply do not fax it over.

(Laughter)

ALAN: Kris, on this idea of kind of the primacy of images, I'm assuming that what we think we see in the outside world is our interpretation of our inner imagery, and some of the questions I'm getting have to do with what the correlation is between let's say, shared reality and/or the official line of consciousness, and either what we see in the inside world or what we see in the outside world and…and then also what would the correlation be, between our imaginings and actual instructions given to our subconscious to create those things.

KRIS: How long do you want to stay on the air?

(Laughter)

ALAN: I'm here as long as you are.

KRIS: We can all imagine that we could be here for hours, but that would not necessarily be the case. Be it as it is, your subconscious mind is a multilayered creation that you utilize for very practical and specific purposes. At the uppermost layers, this construction of yours takes care of so many functions that the conscious mind could not possibly all take into account. Pumping the blood through miles and miles and miles of veins and arteries, making certain that the lungs are functioning properly to absorb oxygen and to expel that which is not desirable, the digestion, the elimination, the seeing, the hearing, the smelling, the talking, the tasting, the touching, all of these things are beyond the conscious mind’s capacity to actually maintain. Simply because it is an active participant in all of this does not make the conscious mind the boss of these things. Do you follow?

ALAN: Yes, thank you.

KRIS: When you make allowances and suggest to those deeper layers of your subconscious mind to assist you in exploring the deeper layers of your own aspects, to uncover these treasures of consciousness and that exist in rooms of the great mansion of the Self, rooms that may have been forgotten with the passage of time, and you enter these rooms and you flick the light on, there may be furnishings and items in those rooms that require some time for the eye to adjust and interpret properly.

So the conscious mind, with its tie-in to the imagination, assists in creating a reference point for you to begin identifying the contents of those aspects and the experiences therein. You need a point of departure nonetheless. Would it be fair to say that it is not fair to prime the pump in order to bring water up from the well? Indeed not! In fact it makes it function all that much better. Do you follow?

ALAN: Yes, yes.

KRIS: So at the beginning, there may be suggestions of a specific nature that can take you into different territory that aligns with those deeper inner or more mature aspects of your own Being. Once there however, you are entirely free to open yourself up to impressions which may come more in the form of images than anything else, images that will be laden with waves of emotions, some perhaps subtle, some perhaps less subtle or other feelings per se, that all need to be translated.

If for instance you have a vision say, of the ancient god Zeus, does that mean that you were in contact with the Greek god Zeus? Indeed not. But you may have been in touch with an ancient aspect of your Self that you related to ancient mythological divinities, and it will be well worth your while to translate and decipher the communications within. Does that make sense?

ALAN: Yes, yes.

KRIS: That is what we are aiming at, and we trust that suffices as an answer.

ALAN: Well actually we do have some requests that Kris radio go to 2 hours.

(Laughter)

KRIS: There may come a time when this may prove practical. And then again, the more you imagine it, the easier it becomes. Now what is the time?

MARK: Its 7 – 8 minutes to.

KRIS: Indeed. Any other inquiries? From our co-hosts?

MARK: Not for me.

JOHN: Oh yeah, this is a fascinating area that you’re... I often get the feeling Kris that, that you're only really saying about half of what's on your mind.

(Chuckling)

KRIS: Indeed. You see this evening we have sleeves

JOHN: You do that!

KRIS: And we only pull out half of their contents.

JOHN: I know! And of course it prompts me to try to imagine what the other half might be. Actually I was ask… I asked a question earlier, almost as a joke, but let me just rephrase it a little bit more seriously. In our practice, our practice elements of, I was joking about… that if we imagine a candle, imagine seeing a candle, then suddenly we’re gonna get candles all through our physical reality. Now, that's obviously a little bit silly but…

KRIS: May we interject?

JOHN: Please.

KRIS: Many of you have heard fascinating stories about Tibetan monks for instance, going in a field in the middle of winter or in the middle of a snowstorm in the high mountains of the Himalayas, and these monks actually stay warm. How do you think they do that? Is it magic?

JOHN: Yeah.

KRIS: Magic of the mind, indeed. The same way you can develop this magic, they can visualize intensely, fire, a flame to the degree where they feel warm and snow are around them melts from their body heat.

JOHN: Yeah, I’ve heard those stories, amazing!

KRIS: Indeed. Now it does not mean that they will spontaneously combust and neither will you, but the intensity of the inner experience can have influences in the outer world.

JOHN: Okay.

MARK: Can and does.

KRIS: Just as you can have intense erotic dreams while you sleep and there will be some physical influence.

(Laughter)

JOHN: Quite possibly. Well I think that's a pretty good point to move on from…

(More laughter)

KRIS: Feeling hot under the collar?

MARK: Yes, indeed.

JOHN: Yeah.

MARK: Any more questions Alan?

ALAN: Well I think we’ve certainly got our plate full here with just our… the extent of our own imaginings and imagery creation. I still think a lot of people have questions about where this leads you and interacts with anyone else and how you know that is…

KRIS: Whether this is to know and then share with you.

ALAN: Yes, yes.

KRIS: But the invitation is standing to come along for the journey. Our only request is that you strap your seat belts.

JOHN: Well we've got just a few minutes here Kris, so I’m just gonna ask… a related topic. Yesterday I was getting ready to go out, as I often do in recreational way to my local Goodwill store and I wanted to get a pair of pants. And I recalled our last show so… not pixel by pixel… more thread by thread… I was getting ready to get on my bike and ride it up to Goodwill, and I imagined those pants.

And I started from the waistband down and just layered thread, thread, thread, it was like magic you know, sort of, until eventually I had my 30 inch leg cuffs touching the ground. Now it's gonna surprise no one to realize that when I got to Goodwill, I found that pair of pants and brought them home. Now, did I do a good… did I do a clever, thoughtful, creative thing there or was I just you know, swimming around in the units of consciousness and I happened to get lucky?

KRIS: As long as you do not lose your pants while you wear them, then we can say that this was very informative for you.

JOHN: Well it was, yeah. No I didn’t lose my pants, I found a pair of pants!

KRIS: Indeed.

ALAN: Have you been panting ever since?

(laughter)

JOHN: No, but you know, for five bucks I got a pair of 40 dollar pants and I’m a happy camper! Not only that, but they were precisely the exact thing I was looking for.

MARK: And he even noticed the thread count.

ALAN: Yes, yes, that’s the best part.

JOHN: That’s right.

KRIS: Now with that, we leave you all to the wonders of your pants-making abilities and we will be speaking soon.

(Laughter)

JOHN: Okay, Kris, thank you.

MARK: Thank you, Kris. Thank you Alan.

KRIS: Thank you, guys.

MARK: And goodnight everybody and we’ll see you back here next Thursday and International session on Sunday and the CMI session is on Sunday.
JOHN: Okay, well goodnight everybody!

(Session ends)