MARK: Good evening and welcome to Kris radio here on thatradio.com. My name is Mark Bukator, and I'm here with…

JOHN: And I am John Hawkins and very happy to be here on a Thursday evening this time around.

MARK: And a beautiful one at that.

JOHN: Honestly, a little hot for my taste but there you go… and of course we are graced with the surging presence of…

SERGE: (Chuckling) Who? Me, Serge. And welcome to Kris radio and we want to thank you for letting us have this nice show on thatradio.com.

MARK: So next weekend is the Lotus Mind… no, not this weekend but next weekend is the Lotus Mind workshop.

SERGE: June 9 and 10

MARK: We've been talking about this a lot lately but this is really exciting and in fact, the next radio show next Thursday, we’re going to have guests. We’re gonna have a roomful of people here for you to talk to… listen to at least. (Chuckling)

JOHN: Who we gonna have, Paul and Jo?

MARK: No, their flights just missed us unfortunately but were gonna have Emmy from Spain and Esther from Spain, Ellen in Delaware and Cathy in Delaware

JOHN: Oh, wonderful!

MARK: And a nice gentleman from Toronto named Robert.

SERGE: Yeah, it’s… it’s still almost mind blowing for me that people are flying to Toronto from places like Madrid and Barcelona from Spain, Mexico, all over the U.S., Canada from Calgary to Nova Scotia, to share a weekend with us is most humbling and very warm, gives you that nice warm fuzzy.

JOHN: Oh it's wonderful.

MARK: I've participated now in many of the Kris workshops, two really big ones, this is my third big one and I think this is the grand daddy of them all so far. I know they're gonna get bigger each year.

JOHN: Well he’s never … just confirm this for me, Mark but I don't… in my recollection Kris has never built up a workshop the way he's built this one up.

MARK: True.

JOHN: In terms of anticipation.

MARK: True.

JOHN: And you know, for those of you who perhaps aren’t on newworldview as often as we are, there's actually a little exercise you can read about in a transcript called ‘The Enneagram’ which can help you kind of get yourself oriented into the right space.

MARK: Yes, if you pull up krischronicles.com, that's Kris with a K, and go over on the left-hand side to transcripts, and then click on 2007 you will have all for this year, you see one called ‘The Enneagram’ and that's the one John’s talking about.

Also there's quite a bit of tools if you notice when you pull up that transcripts menu, there's a Tool Box and there's a lot of practices and meditations and practical tools that you can use in your day-to-day life that Kris has brought about over the years in that other workshops and that's handy too.

JOHN: And there may be some more coming up from that weekend coming up.

MARK: Oh, definitely, I expect some. Possibly another ‘meditations and practices’ CD to be released this year as a result, definitely even if the audio is properly recorded, we’re gonna market and make available the CD’s from the workshop.

JOHN: Yes, I think you should do, that’s…

SERGE: Yeah, we intend to not only audio record it but it… there's a very good likelihood it’ll be video recorded as well.

JOHN: Ooh, Goody!

SERGE: So that’ll make some nice keepsake.

JOHN: I’ll have to get my hair done.

(Laughter)

SERGE: Have to get some hair first!

(Laughter)

SERGE: I’ll lend you some of mine, here.

JOHN: Well do we have any intimations or ideas about where we might be headed off to this evening?

MARK: No, in fact I made a point of asking Serge if there was any clues and… definitely not.

SERGE: Well that's okay. I'm usually clueless anyways, so there you go.

MARK: The inbox was empty.

(Laughter)

JOHN: Oh that reminds me, next week's session is at 7 like we had talked about?

MARK: Yes, next week's radio show will be at 7 as usual.

JOHN: It will be at 7.

MARK: Yes, correct, one hour show.

JOHN: Okay, well so, what was the last radio show about?

SERGE: I don't know. You were there more than I was.

(Laughter)

JOHN: I know but it just all becomes a blur.

MARK: Oh we've had so many sessions lately, between the walks and International and the Toronto sessions, it's hard for me to keep track of them. Thank god for my trusty notebook here.

JOHN: Well actually I'm glad that I make my notes and put them up on the website because honestly sometimes I look back myself just to remind myself (chuckling)

MARK: I love those notes John, they are so enlightening. I love your perspective of these things and they're very valuable, even for the people that attended or participated in, they're very, very helpful notes. Those notes, for the listeners out there, are on newworldview.com in the Kris chronicles forum there.

JOHN: Well I know I have a unique perspective. In some ways that may be all I've got.

(Laughter)

JOHN: And I'm very happy to share it.

MARK: The last radio show was about the official line of consciousness.

JOHN: Oh there you go.

MARK: Versus of the unofficial line of consciousness.

JOHN: Oh, yes, that was a breakthrough for me.

MARK: Yeah, and Kris has expanded it a little bit since then as well.

SERGE: And I wanted to mention too that… I think it's a… for me a very good learning tool when I review your summary, same when Paul would put up his and now you’re doing that, because it gives me a chance to actually get to know what Kris was talking about cause most of the time I have no clue.

JOHN: Well you've usually left the building at that point.

SERGE: Yeah, something like that, yes. I do like Elvis, I just leave the building.

(Chuckling)

JOHN: Well it's a shame isn't it, that in order to get Kris we have to lose Serge to some degree but I suppose there's compensations.

MARK: Of course there is.

SERGE: Sounds fair.

JOHN: You could clone yourself, right? And have one of you open up and channel, and the other of you sit here.

SERGE: And watch myself channel.

JOHN: Yeah.

MARK: Ironically, he hates [listening to the audio files] … its very hard for him to even sit and listen to… because it comes out of his own mouth, flabbergasts him.

JOHN: Really?

SERGE: I've never, even after 30 years of this I’ve still never gotten completely comfortable with that whole idea.

JOHN: Well it may… you know how the ghosts are always saying that they're always being very careful to honor our unique individuality and that may be a little bit hard for… in other words, there may be some feeling of a threat to your ego in a sense because you know…

SERGE: I do consider it… and I have to be careful… I don't wanna say an invasion or an intrusion because it's nothing like that at all. It's just different. It's just… I’m used to me, I know what I'm like, and this is more, and I just view it as something different. It’s a little… it feels a little bizarre but I also like what you mentioned about the quote unquote ‘ghosts’, our friendly little term for them, how they always respect where we’re at.

JOHN: They take great care, yeah.

SERGE: Because when I started doing the channeling so many years ago, my only point of reference was Edgar Cayce. I had read everything imaginable from him, by him, about him, and so on and so forth and when I started doing the channeling it was in his style, you were laying down, somebody counting you down into a deep state and taking it from there and it was only I think in 2002 or 2003 maybe, that Kris explained to you… do you remember that?

MARK: Explained what?

SERGE: That…

(Mark chuckles)

SERGE: You were somewhere else? … Explained that even back then, that was still him.

MARK: Oh yeah, definitely it was him.

SERGE: But that he had to use the references I had and then gradually work it so that I could move away from that.

MARK: What I find particularly interesting is how you kept coming across the Jane Roberts/Seth books and because of the photo on the cover, which was used intentionally back then for…

SERGE: Yeah, it was the old paperback cover of Seth speaks.

MARK: Which was intentionally taken to look spacey, sign of the times that she was a medium…

SERGE: Weird, freaky, bizarre.

MARK: And it was a bizarre thing but you kept looking at the book and judging it by its cover and refusing to get it and then one day you found yourself in a bookstore, in some type of trance, and grabbed it, walked over to the cash, and paid for it…

SERGE: Yup.

MARK: Without even realizing what you were doing and that was Kris pushing you to discover that kind of channeling which is what you do now.

SERGE: Yes I guess, well I had already been speaking for Kris before I picked up those books but in reading them it was very helpful to me to understand myself because of what Jane had gone through.

JOHN: And so beautifully documented by Rob.

SERGE: Yeah.

MARK: Robert Butts, yes.

SERGE: I… even to this day, I still come across the occasional person who finds that all of Rob’s notes, notations, even some of Jane's notations are a complete waste of time, they should have just left it with Seth only, and I find it objectionable because I think that Rob’s, and even some of Jane’s notes actually situate it, put it in context within our lives and ground it.

MARK: And humanize it.

SERGE: It is.

JOHN: They make a story.

SERGE: Exactly.

JOHN: I'm still waiting for the movie to come out.

(Laughing)

SERGE: Well there’s some stuff in the works somewhere in the years

JOHN: Wouldn’t that be fabulous? I mean that would just be a mind-boggling movie.

SERGE: Who would get to play Jane?

JOHN: Jane, umm…

SERGE: I'd get… well… well my favorite actresses is Cate Blanchett so…

JOHN: Meryl Streep would be fabulous.

SERGE: Meryl Streep, you think so? Yeah?

JOHN: With a dye job?

MARK: Wasn't Jane petite?

SERGE: Yeah, Jane was very small. Cate’s also… well she’s not that small.

MARK: Who would you get to play Robert?

SERGE: James Woods.

(Laughter)

MARK: He's kind of… Robert’s a short guy isn’t he?

(Laughter)

SERGE: Yeah. Rob Butts is uh, I think he’s maybe 5 foot 6… 7 at the most.

JOHN: I'm thinking Tom Hanks for Rob.

SERGE: Tom Hanks?

MARK: Oh, I don't know about that.

SERGE: Too big. I think too big.

MARK: No.

JOHN and SERGE: And who would we get to play Seth?

(Laughter)

MARK: Kris.

(More laughter)

JOHN: Oh gosh.

SERGE: Well they can dub the voice in for that.

(Phone rings)

MARK: Well the big guy seems to be keeping us waiting tonight. (Chuckling)

JOHN: Oh he's got his own agenda. We have learned to trust that.

MARK: Oh yeah, definitely.

JOHN: Just to recap last… the thing… the breakthrough for me last time was the idea that I have internal representations of official reality and that I am constructing official reality myself. For some reason I… while intellectually I understood that I construct my whole reality, for some reason, in a sort of a way that was invisible to me, I had set aside the whole official reality thing as being somehow outside of myself, right? Something that I was opposing and it was very helpful to realize that I’m constructing that too, duh! But it's also quite liberating too, because now when I walk down the street I realize that I’m taking a little stroll through myself.

MARK: I find the parts where you have to allow yourself to disallow was the part that sort of hit home for me and that's meant a lot.

JOHN: Well if you think about it, if all you do is total allowance, then you’ve got nothing.

MARK: Yeah.

JOHN: And if all you do is oppose, you got nothing, but it’s that…

MARK: That tension in between.

JOHN: It’s that delicate balance of opposing and allowing that creates such a rich…

MARK: Dance.

JOHN: A rich environment.

MARK: The dance of Shiva, Shiva and…

JOHN: Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva.

MARK: That lovely dance.

(Chuckling)

JOHN: Okay, So…

MARK: Now you were talking about the representations too, John and that… it was a continuation from the previous radio show called ‘1000 Representations’.

JOHN: Well that, yes. That's very fascinating to me, the idea that the outside world that we construct isn't just… just doesn't come out of nowhere, it's an outward reflection or confirmation of inner representations within consciousness.

MARK: A great many people think one of two different thought patterns, and that is the future is either engraved in stone or is a blank slate, and it's neither. It's that in-between.

JOHN: Yeah, I think everything's in between, I think we’ve got our friend, has come to visit.

KRIS: Indeed, and we trust that you are comfortable.

MARK: Yes, thank you Kris.

KRIS: And thank you for your consideration.

JOHN: Thank you Kris.

KRIS: We would enjoy speaking about something slightly different though still in line with previously presented discussions, all within the keeping of year of meaningfulness.

This particular subject matter may sound somewhat different from other discussions but still within that realm. We would enjoy speaking about what we call the Orodin. O-R-O-D-I-N, and from our own vantage point, as we have explained a few years back already, we are not from your own system. Do you remember?

MARK: Yes.

KRIS: We have labeled your particular area of consciousness in clusters. We have identified, what is from our point of view, many other clusters of consciousness. Do you recall what we named your yours?

MARK: Yes, the Taaj. T-A-A-J. [Summary of clans, clusters and families by Paul Helfrich on NWV]

KRIS: Indeed., and we mentioned that our own area of consciousness, we call Gaura cluster.

MARK: Yes I remember that.

KRIS: Now from our little corner of infinity, we have a name for your species. You like to call yourselves human being and it suits you quite nicely. We refer to your species as Orodin. And in terms of origins, your species as we have briefly discussed and as others have briefly discussed as well, your species is quite old, quite ancient.

We understand your need for classification especially within the context of your official line of consciousness, meaning the scientific system of classification, what you call the origin of species, where some of you are fully convinced that your ancestors may very well be chimpanzees and other sapiens, and that fits within of the framework you utilize to organize your representations and the manner in which you then use the various belief systems to give meaning to your experiences.

And this is a point we do wish to strongly bring across. The Orodin have had many, many ancient traditions, many of which have been lost in the annals of time through various global and local disasters of one kind or another. You have experienced near annihilation at certain times, but one thing is certain, that you are a most resilient expression of consciousness and throughout all of these complex labyrinths of histories, one thing that your species eventually understands until another cycle, is it that eventually, your beliefs are not what govern you but that instead it is you create the blueprints, you who utilize the various belief systems or structures within those blueprints in order to fulfill your own values, to fulfill your intent to experience the very nature of your being.

And we want to make this very clear, in order for you to consider that you yourselves as Orodin, are not subject to anyone else's ideas, to anyone else's point of view, that you have a resiliency, a vitality and such an exuberance about yourselves, that you make your own rules and then you quaintly forget about them. You even pretend that you do no such thing, but that you are victims of events and conditions, that others make you feel the things you feel, and sometimes abdicate your own sense of authentication.

This is meant to impart to you, the idea that you, as a species, that have been within this system for so very long in terms of time, but there are occasions when you forget. And there are occasions when you need a reminder, when you call out for a reminder. Therefore our humble selves, as well as others, respond to your need to remember whom you are. You create so many wonderful and colorful varieties and eccentricities with life and life energies, that it is well worth reminding you incrementally, whom and what you are, that you are not subject to the rules of others, even when you forget that notion and pretend that you are. Does this make sense to you?

MARK: Yes it does.

JOHN: Yes.

KRIS: Now we do wish it to be understood, we are not implicating that you are star children and other ideas associated with such a topic. And once you start remembering your own origins, the very nature of your being, what you call life will begin to take on a different expression. It will no longer be life as a result of any fears or paranoia’s that you may hold, singularly or collectively but it will be a life that reflects the remembering of your origins, the remembering of your power, and as a result of that, accountability will no longer be a struggle. You would for instance no longer need to have your Pabulum fed to you. Do you follow?

MARK: Yes. So am I correct in thinking that your definition of the Orodin encompasses a lot more than our definition of human beings.

KRIS: Indeed. Your modern day definition of yourselves within the context of your official line of consciousness is that of the present scientific model. You are a miraculous amalgam of proteins and molecules, minerals, somehow or other marvelously contained in a bag.

(Laughter)

KRIS: And once that composition ceases to bring about its symphony, you are no more. And because of the nature of official and unofficial lines of consciousness, and your dog-like tenacity to hold onto it, it is difficult for you to imagine or to even conceive of yourselves in any other way. Thus you play that role very well. Does that make sense?

MARK: Yes.

JOHN: Oh yeah.

MARK: Definitely award-winning material here.

KRIS: Indeed, an Emmy nomination for sure. That is why over the last few sessions we have spoken about the official and unofficial lines of consciousness because these represent in another way again, what you oppose and allow. And this field, this tension that is created between those two extremes, those vast areas of contrariness is not all of what you are. You are more than all of this. You are the author and the designers and the manufacturers of those fields of tensions as well as the official and unofficial line of consciousness. It depends then, in a manner of speaking, what kind of stocks you buy into: the stock market for the official line or the one for the unofficial.

JOHN: Or we could have a diversified portfolio with some one of each.

KRIS: Indeed, that is what we are moving into. But do understand that this is not the only game in town. Overall, you are so much more the than any of the barriers and the parameters by which you seek to define yourselves within the context of your official line of consciousness. If and when you come to that realization on your own, then your journey takes on a completely different experience and manifestation.

For example, were you to truly understand the simple concept that physical reality, instead of all of what you believe about it, is none of these things, but is physical reality, is the confirmation of your own beliefs and representations. Your experiences of life would become nearly dramatically altered but it is still difficult for you to separate yourselves from your representations which appear within physical reality. But we say this for your species, you are not only learning but remembering, and that the definitely deserves several kudos.

MARK: Interesting point because I believe a lot of people don't trust in themselves enough, and I think I fall into this category, not entirely, but don't trust their own memories enough, they're not certain if they’re remembering or if they're just intellectualizing or understanding. I think we need to give ourselves more credit.

KRIS: Indeed. Now there are definitely many people who intellectualize these kinds of subject matters and because they can repeat the words, they do believe that they now have a complete and absolute grasp of the matter. And in doing so, actually experience denial in the sense that they cannot see that their lives are not what they speak about. Their lives may still be filled with struggles of one kind or another but they have become blinded to it. And then there are other people who may discuss this subject matter somewhat but are far more interested in actually transforming their lives, and do so very nicely indeed. Overall however, regardless of the approach, even those who intellectualize it, at least are approaching this subject matter in a way they consider non-threatening to themselves because they would have a vested interest, secondary gains in keeping it at the intellectual rationalization level. Do you follow?

JOHN: Oh yeah.

KRIS: Again however, each individual member of your species, all 6.4 or 5 billion of them are to be commended for the efforts they put forth in each one's attempt to transform reality from its representational state into its conformational state, physical reality. That requires a genius in many ways.

MARK: Yes, thank you.

JOHN: Yes, that's very kind. On behalf of our six and a half billion brothers and sisters, we thank you.

MARK: Now would you give me your certificate that I could give to the Mensa club?

KRIS: All you need do is represent it.

(Chuckling)

KRIS: Now what is the time?

MARK: 7:35 (pm)

KRIS: Then perhaps a small Orodin break.

MARK: A musical interlude.

KRIS: Indeed. Afterwards perhaps there might be some who would call.

(Musical interlude)

MARK: And were back, here at Kris radio on thatradio.com. As Kris suggested just before the break, that he will probably open up the phone line…

MARK: When he… (Phone rings) Not yet! (Chuckling) When he does, the phone number to call is 416-204-9723. Please turn down the volume on your computer because there is a lag in the time there.

MARK: I thought that was a fascinating talk, the Orodin, that’s great.

JOHN: Yeah, that’s interesting, isn’t it.

MARK: Much more expansive definition of self as we understand it.

JOHN: What did he call? The Orodin.

MARK: Ordin, Ordine, Orodin?

JOHN: That's right. It’s sort of like the origin in a way.

MARK: The Orodin. [Looking back at my notes].

JOHN: Orodin.

MARK: It's very different from the other’s perspective, the other, when you think of self, not just the human.

KRIS: And that is in part the purpose of our small presentation. To encourage you to remember more of whom and what you are even though in terms of the official line of consciousness, this makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to your sensitivities concerning the linear progression of time, the scientific elocutions concerning the origins of your species and all of your lovely sapien relatives.

JOHN: Well honestly you know, the more I switch over, my concentration to…what seems to me to be a much more reasonable understanding of who and what we are… I mean when I hear the scientists talking about how you know, first of all you've got dust and carbon molecules and you know, by golly the lightning strikes the swamp and up comes you know, the swamp creature… suddenly, it's alive! I hated to sound…

KRIS: And it too is a lovely myth of origin.

JOHN: It is!

MARK: What's that the mother-in-law?

JOHN: But it seems kind of… it’s a bit of a stretch really, a bit of a stretch for me now to think of it that way. For instance, I mean we have lightning strikes every day, hundreds of thousands of them all over the planet. How come we don't get more swamp creatures?

(Chuckling)

MARK: I love to think, to ponder the fact that we've been here for hundreds of millions of years, playing this game in different ways, shapes and forms as possible and I just find it so and powering when you think of having a huge history compared to this little bleak one, where you come from the mud puddle, but it's the civilizations that we've built and taken down and rebuilt and taken down…

KRIS: Indeed because you are more than mud puddle babies.

JOHN: Well if you think about it, the mud puddles approach to human origins starts out with a dead end, in terms of going backwards, it’s a dead end and it ends up in the dead end, like when you’re dead, you’re dead.

MARK: And it's finite, both of them.

KRIS: And in a few billion years as the mythology implies, everything will collide and turn to dust once again. These are representations in another field that try to express overlapping cycles of recreations as well as originalities because each time there it is a renewal of the cycle, as we have described it recently. When new orders of official and unofficial lines of consciousness are established for a segment of your journey through time and space, entirely new projects and configurations, new imaginings then are manifested within physical reality, they are confirmed by the manifestations itself, the concretization of those representations and the representations again, are multilayered. Thus you are always in a state of creation and transformation.

JOHN: Can I ask a question about representations, Kris?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Could we say that representations are ideas that we maintain in regional area 2?

KRIS: They are within your immediate subconscious mind.

MARK: Just below the layer of the physical reality, correct?

KRIS: Indeed. And this is also multilayered. Representations can also, pardon the pun, represent your various belief structures and so many other things. It is your inner idea of the world. It is your world, that is where you exist.

JOHN: Well yeah, that’s right. That is our reality.

KRIS: Indeed. Your reality is not what is generally assumed to be consensus reality. That is a consensus confirmation of the individual and the mass representations. Now if you would care to ask for callers, if any are of such a mind.

MARK: The phone line is now open. The number to call is 416-204-9723. If you get through, please give us your name and tell us where you're calling from, and then ask Kris or make your comments and… 416-204-9723. Give us a shout!

KRIS: In the meantime, please feel free to continue.

JOHN: Well this idea of representations has got me going here a little bit.

MARK: I find it interesting too, that our representations are always… to quote a friend: pre-rational, trans-rational and post-rational. We have all the different elements at any given time. Our experiment in expressions are constantly changing and flowing through but we always have representations at a stage where they’re ‘pre’-something, they're changing, and then the ‘trans’ are the active, and then there's the ‘post’. So to use a civilization, we have a generation, the young generation are coming into a new generation. Our generation is different than theirs, and then the seniors are in a very ‘post’, to what they're used to, what their generation was.

KRIS: Indeed. This would indicate to you that there can even be a lattice work of representational systems. This may also include individual and collective worldviews. Anything within, that generates the onset of confirmations within the physical reality system. For instance, this larger monitor attached to the computer can be said to be then the confirmation of all the various representational systems entertained within the computer circuitry, the software, and everything related to its mechanisms. Do you follow?

JOHN: Yes, that's a fun idea. And we wrote the software and built the computer and the monitor.

(Phone rings)

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: And the idea-complex.

JOHN: Well I think we may have a…

KRIS: Do we know this individual?

(Chuckling)

JOHN: I think you're on, Ellen.

ELLEN: Hi John, Hi Mark, Hi Kris.

MARK: Hi.

ELLEN: My question is… it's a pretty quick one, but I wondered if you could clarify the difference between the Orodin and the Uguur which is a term you gave about a year or so ago.

KRIS: Indeed, the Uguur as we have described, is the source of what you call All That Is. Now that is…

ELLEN: And the Orodin is something… for lack of a better word… a subspecies of the Uguur?

KRIS: You could say they are the great-great-grandchildren.

(Chuckling)

ELLEN: Okay.

KRIS: And they are, the Orodin is, at this point in time, in a stage in-between diapers and no diapers.

(Laughter)

KRIS: Running around, opening cupboard doors, taking out the pots and pans, building blocks, using crayons on the walls and all sorts of challenging and fascinating things.

MARK: The terrible twos.

KRIS: Do you follow?

MARK: Still there Ellen?

ELLEN: I'm still here.

KRIS: Does this make sense to you?

ELLEN: Yes, thank you very much, and I'll hang up now for anyone else who…

KRIS: And do understand that next week, you are here.

ELLEN: Yeah, I understand that.

JOHN: Yeah, see you next week, Ellen.

ELLEN: All right. I’ll talk to you later, guys.

MARK: Thanks for calling.

ELLEN: Bye.

JOHN: That could be a little louder couldn't it?

MARK: The number again: 416-204-9723. The line is open again!

(Pause)

MARK: Those terrible twos. (Chuckling)

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: Growing pains.

JOHN: Yeah, it's fun to think that… I mean if we’re already as fun as we are, and we’re still at the terrible twos come between diapers and no diapers, imagine! Well you know… what the potentials are… oh my golly!

MARK: I can't wait for the teenage years.

(Laughter)

JOHN: The mind boggle.

KRIS: Now it is your own civilization that has said that you are the children of God.

MARK: That's true.

KRIS: What do children grow up to?

JOHN: Well they pass through that devil phase and then they become gods!

(Laughter)

MARK: Anybody else out there?

KRIS: What is the time?

MARK: We have about 10 minutes.

KRIS: Indeed, then please feel free to continue. Perhaps you have other questions or inquiries.

JOHN: Yes, there's always another question for sure. As I'm thinking about the representations… just zero in on that a tiny bit for my own personal edification… representations then, are individual. In other words, I have my representations of the world which are then become confirmed by my outer experience of reality, but of course Mark has his representations.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: And we must at that representational level, be back and forth quite a bit because he and I share a lot of…

KRIS: Indeed, because your reality, which is non-physical but representational, exists within consciousness. And within consciousness, communication is not dependent upon any outward verbalizations or writings or otherwise. It is instantaneous and telepathic. Thus each of the 6.5 or so billion human beings on this planet effectively communicates at that layer all the time.

JOHN: Right.

KRIS: And you think your satellite communication devices are marvels of modern technologies, without realizing that even through your physical organism, those communications occur all the time even without your knowledge of how it occurs. It does so through the chemical releases through the pores of your skin, through the synaptic impulses at the neurological level, through the manner in which neurons fire away, thousands upon thousands every second in the synapses of the brain. This is all communicated signals to all of the brains and bodies of all of the other human beings on your planet.

JOHN: That's a heck of a system.

KRIS: This is the transformational power that we described, that gives rise to what you call electricity, that energy that transforms nature from the unseen into the seen. Do you recall?

JOHN: Oh yeah, for sure.

MARK: Oh yeah.

JOHN: Well just another comment about official reality which is… by the way thank you for that wonderful discourse on of official and unofficial lines of consciousness, that was very helpful for me personally, but as I'm pondering that, I realize that it's a mistake to think that official reality is one thing…

KRIS: Correct.

JOHN: On this planet. For instance in the Brazilian jungle, there are tribes that have no contact with human beings, excuse me, pardon me kids, no contact with ‘us’.

KRIS: Indeed there are still what you call, or your anthropologists call stone age people in the modern age.

JOHN: And their official reality…

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Is dramatically different.

KRIS: Their official reality is simply what you have made of it. If you were to dig down any deeper, you could simply say that it is all unofficial. Every single bit of it is completely and totally unofficial.

JOHN: Oh!

KRIS: Much like your own belief systems. They are neutral and benign until you focus upon them, giving them attention, charging them, providing with fuel and momentum, which then generates confirmation within physical reality.

JOHN: Right.

MARK: Like a big ball of Play Doh, you just shape it and mold it and roll it back up.

JOHN: And in a way, I mean, that’s not really a negative thing.

KRIS: Indeed not!

JOHN: Cause that's how you create a civilization.

MARK: Power.

KRIS: That's how you learn because you do come here to learn certain things. And though some would object that you are not here to learn anything, it is important to understand the distinction. When you have experience, which generates feelings, you learn something.

JOHN: And it’s meaningful.

KRIS: Indeed, because you exist in a meaningful universe and you are meaningful Orodin.

JOHN: So there would be other ‘species’, let's call them… thinking of the Orodin. There might be the… what, another species in perhaps… in our physical universe but perhaps in another star system who are comprised of a different family… is that fair to say?

KRIS: In a manner of speaking we understand the gist of your formulation, we can grok a few things.

JOHN: And so these other guys, bless their hearts, who are… have another name perhaps.

MARK: Vulcans or Romulans maybe.

(Laughter)

JOHN: And they would also be…

KRIS: And they are all ‘na-nu, na-nu’

(Laughter)

JOHN: What was that?

MARK: Mork and Mindy, ‘na-nu, na-nu’

(Laughter)

KRIS: All kidding aside, yes there are other species.

JOHN: And you, as Kris and or/Brahm, might very well being answering their calls.

KRIS: There are others who deal with their needs.

JOHN: Oh! Hmm that's interesting.

MARK: And we’re not necessarily talking humanoid or anything that we would even consider a species of life on this planet.

KRIS: Some are not and never will be visible to your sensory apparatus.

MARK: And some are just so far beyond what our current imagination…

KRIS: Does that mean that they can never be seen? Indeed not. It simply means that your species is not equipped sensorially… is that a word?

MARK: It is now.

JOHN: Yeah, sure.

KRIS: To perceive them.

JOHN: Right. Actually I came across recently, a Seth quote that struck me very strongly. He said that we can only ever perceive our own constructions.

KRIS: Correct. You do go through other systems and other systems to go through yours and you never have, and never will have knowledge of it even though you may occupy 99% of the same frequency of space/time. That 1% differentiation is enough to allow that the two species shall never meet.

JOHN: Ships in the night.

MARK: It all happens in the same time and space, just in a different time and space.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: Well that's our time for the night. Thank you once again Kris, for a very memorable, enjoyable talk. Any final words?

KRIS: Remember your origins as Orodin. And with that we thank you and perhaps that is a late caller?

MARK: Oh we’ll give him a second here, and see… nope.

KRIS: Indeed then, have a most pleasant evening.

JOHN: Thank you Kris.

MARK: Thank you Kris. Well once again, that concludes our show of Kris radio here on thatradio.com. We’d like to thank you all for tuning in to us, and look forward to meeting you again next Thursday night when we will have some guests on the air. So have a good night, folks and see you next week!

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