Summary Roll Call: Serge, Mark, John, Myrna, Paul, Jo, Ellen, Cathy, Brian, Tom, Ella, Anya, Steve, Debbie, Lisa.
(7:47 PM session begins)
KRIS: Now we are glad that you have decided to participate, and we thank you for your consideration. We are honored that you will all be part of this evening's process. Since this is considered to be an "open mic" session, then -- since we already have the floor, so to speak --WE will take the first opportunity and offer a suggestion.
It has come to our attention of late that there are interesting debates in various forums about the nature of these kinds of transmissions, their effectiveness, and how these things might be done differently, or better, and so on and so forth. And we wish to remind each and every one of your lovely selves that first and foremost these transmissions are meant to have you question the nature of reality, and specifically the nature of YOUR reality and in doing so, your rambunctious, fun-loving, exuberant nature is supposed to be a natural by-product of your inquisitiveness.
Instead, we are finding that many are becoming OVERLY SERIOUS -- Top heavy in seriousness to the degree that Joseph is reacting to that kind of pressure. Since your creations are your play, the idea is that you participate in the process of your dramas with some fun, instead we are seeing that many are losing that perspective to some degree and wanting not only that all of the answers be spoon-fed, but also masticated, chewed, and perhaps even pre-digested so that you have very little to do but simply sit there and feel something or other that you have yet to determine.
This is meant to bring about your PLAYFUL Essence nature! This is meant to have you reconnect with the Source of your being! But instead, there is a lot of hair-splitting and it tends to sour the milk, in a manner of speaking. We are not objecting to any of your carefully thought out questions, but be aware that very often the manner in which your questions are formulated and the very processes utilized to bring about your questions are often the very key that you need to observe, as well as the very process that may have gotten you to recognize the pickle you might be in.
So we are humbly suggesting that you insert FUN in your observations, FUN in your day, FUN LIVING regardless of how you interpret living through your belief filters. Pleasure… Fun, is something that comes naturally to human beings. When you become overly serious in your quest for answers, without fun involved, you fall into an old trap: that the answers not possibly found within you must surely be found within something or someone else.
Therefore we do want to have you consider the possibility that YOU ALSO have answers, even if you do not pay attention to them very often. Solicit them from within your Being. This is why we have given you the "Triple 'A' Method", the "Ask Why" method, and several others; that you may be able to not only solicit the answers from within your lovely selves, but that you actually pay attention when those answers come home.
To that end, we have a small parable for you all. This is the parable of the "Man and the Ocean." One day a man came upon the seashore, a sight he had never beheld yet, having lived inland all his life. Upon looking at this vast body of water he was perplexed. He asked other people on the beach what this was. How big it was, how deep it was, where did it come from, how did it become what it was, what will it be tomorrow, is anything living in the ocean, and hundreds of other questions.
But he had so many questions. He could not be bothered to take the time to listen to any answers given to him, so busy was he asking questions. And he pleaded with the heavens and the Earth for someone to provide him with the answers. And one day, walking along the shores, he noticed a seashell washed up on the surf. He picked it up and was curious about the seashell. He smelled it, he licked it, he felt it, [but] no answers were coming.
On an impulse, he decided to put it to his ear, and lo and behold, he thought he heard something. This caught his attention and he became fascinated with the sound in the shell. And upon listening he discovered that he could make out certain words, or so he thought. And as he continued to walk and listen, he did not observe that he had walked very far into the surf itself, and in doing so, he was amazed to find that somehow or other, without his realizing, he had drowned.
He could still be himself, and being fascinated with this new state of being, he discovered that indeed, all of his answers were present before him, and any other questions he thought of were immediately known to him about the ocean because he had become part of the ocean itself. And that is the end of our parable. And with that, we now give YOU the floor. It is YOUR karaoke night!
(Group laughter.) [This was a nod to Brian who, during the chat time pre-session as we awaited for all the participants to arrive, referred to this evening as a "Kris Karaoke" night.]
BRIAN: (Laughing) Thanks, Kris!
ELLEN: (To Brian) And you wondered if he eavesdropped!
MARK: Who wants to go first? (Pause) Delaware is way too serious tonight!
(Group laughter.) [Our Delaware group had spent a good deal of the pre-session time cracking jokes and laughing.]
BRIAN: Okay, I will. Hi, Kris, it's Brian in Delaware. Elias gave me the Essence name, "Enzo." What would be your interpretation and could I please have my six-pack? Not of beer -- but my six-pack.
KRIS: Miller Lite.
(Laughter)
BRIAN: I'm a Budweiser guy!
KRIS: (Pause) Aligning with Sumari, Vold, Gramada. Belonging to Zuli, Sumafi, Ilda. That being your six-pack.
BRIAN: Thank you, Kris. And Essence name?
KRIS: (Pause) Eldon.
ELLEN: Can you spell it?
KRIS: Eldon. E-L-D-O-N. If you wish to make it more exotic, you may spell it E-L dash D-O-N.
(Group laughter)
BRIAN: Cool! I like that! I like Enzo too, that Elias gave me; rather a rock star name.
KRIS: Please feel free to let the flow continue.
PAUL: Kris, this is Paul in Castaic. I wanted to ask you a follow-up question from two weeks ago about something you said towards the end of that session which was of interest to me. You mentioned that one day of the Uguur, in our terms, was equivalent to 36 times 70 billion years, and I was wondering.....if you multiply that it comes out to over two and a half trillion years. That's quite a long day! And I was wondering, though, there must be significance to the 36 and the 70 billion; so would you just comment on the significance of why you chose 70 billion and why you chose 36 of them?
KRIS: Indeed, as well as you should have noticed, this is one day of Uguur, not an Uguur cycle. Cycles have far many more numbers attached to them. For the sake of simplicity, we gave you those numbers because they are also intermittent cycles within cycles. Cycles that explore the expansions and contractions of your universe's shape, which has an effect upon the broad spectrum of electro-magnetic activities upon the various celestial structures within that said universe. Does that meet your approval?
PAUL: So far so good. So then, just a follow-up to that: the 36 and the 70 -- those are cycles within cycles -- that makes some sense. Back to this one day: in your terms then, you have experienced at least nine cycles. I just want to make the connective tissue, then, between what you've defined as "one day," and "one cycle." Could you possibly elaborate on the length of a cycle?
KRIS: (Pause) You are about to make a girl give her age away!
(Riotous laughter)
PAUL: Could you repeat that? I didn't understand.
ELLEN: Somebody explain it to Paul.
PAUL: Someone repeat it. I didn't hear it.
MARK: He said, "You're about to make a girl give her age away."
PAUL: (Laughing) Exactly!
ELLEN: (Jokingly) How RUDE of you!
KRIS: A cycle of Uguur is one hundred years.
MARK: Uguur years?
KRIS: Uguur years. (More laughter as THAT length of time sinks into our comprehension) If you calculate that with the numbers for one day, in your terms, one day is 365.4 odd days, correct?
PAUL: Uh-huh.
KRIS: By one hundred.
PAUL: So that....that's about two and a half trillion times 3,650. We'll just say that's, that's...
ELLEN: (Bursting into laughter. I'm visualizing Paul trying to rapidly do the calculations) Oh my god!
PAUL: Oh yeah, oh my....that's you know, 7500 trillion...what...what comes after trillion?
ELLEN: Quadrillion.
PAUL: Quadrillion!
BRIAN: Lot of candles on that birthday cake!
MARK: (Chuckling) If you look up at the night sky, you'll see them flicker.
KRIS: And yet, in many ways, the numbers themselves are irrelevant. What is relevant is that you understand that your natures are not that different. You have set up elaborate dramas and displays of your personal and collective beliefs. You have set up religious systems, economic systems, and so many others, yet over and above ALL of these things, it could be said that these are very small plays within the larger cycles of your own existence as Essence. Does that make sense? Does that situate some perspective within your grasp?
PAUL: Yes it does. Thank you, Kris.
KRIS: We understand that it is easy for your human nature to become weighed down, overwhelmed, boggled and intimidated by life's constructs, sometimes even most apparent insignificancies will swell beyond measurement in your own minds, literally vanquishing your spirits, so to speak. Yet, if you allow yourselves to re-situate whom and what you are in proper perspectives, then you will see indeed, that you have made the proverbial mountain -- in such cases cosmic mountains -- out of molehills.
This single shift in perspective might be sufficient often, to allow you to grasp some of the answers you often claim are unavailable to you. We cannot reiterate often enough that it is not possible to create a challenge without already having the perspectives, resources and tools necessary to see your way through it.
We are also sympathetic to those who often find it difficult to grasp the answers that may illuminate their journey, even in their darkest hour, but an acknowledgement that you create the situation, even if you do not understand the mechanisms or mechanics of reality construction, at least an acknowledgement would lead you far closer to the solutions you seek than simply playing the game of the victim.
You know for example that you do not need to know HOW the combustion engine works for you to put the key in the ignition, turn the ignition and then drive away. What you DO need to know is that it is YOU that is turning the key in the ignition, putting the car in drive or reverse and going about your drive. We hope that this is of some small assistance. Now please feel free. It is open mike both ways, my pretties!
(Group laughter)
MYRNA: Kris, reality creation: it's been quite a journey for the last six or seven years that John and I have started this study and what I'm about to say is not a knock on anything but the gates that I've gone through, and what I'm really asking is, am I on the right track? I understand, particularly from your teachings that I create everything in my environment. There was a transcript that was profound for me in which you said there was nothing outside myself, there's no agency outside of myself.
So putting that together with everything, I've come to understand that the law of attraction is not actually how -- I believe now -- things get done. It may simply be a matter of semantics, but no matter. It's more a matter of empowerment for me. With the law of attraction, which I studied for a long time, I kind of scared myself, thinking, "Oh my god, I'm now thinking something beyond 17 seconds!" and "Oh, Dear! Now it's going to be bad!"
KRIS: The world will blow up?
MYRNA: The world will blow up. Exactly! Now what I'm beginning to understand is that I actually move units of consciousness with my beliefs and often I move them unbeknownst to myself, and the reason I do that is when I create an event or a person in my world, it's to grab my attention so that I can look at some underlying belief, which is just so helpful these days, for me, to understand why things are happening.
There's no judgment here actually, it's more a matter of "Oops! I've just grabbed my attention with this thing. So I'm beginning to understand it's not necessarily like attracting like. It's more about the Goddess, Earth Goddess that I am, actually CREATING these events for my own benefit, for my own attention. So I've moved away from attraction to the idea of creation, [of] moving units of consciousness so I become aware of those beliefs. Am I on the right track with that?
KRIS: Indeed.
MYRNA: Okay. That's it! (Group chuckles) That's fine, I'm done.
KRIS: Imagine in the cold winter morning you step out of the house and you see your breath which is vapor and warmth from your lungs, correct?
MYRNA: Yes. Here in Canada? Yes!
(Laughter)
KRIS: Then, imagine at the same time that the breath that you see is the by-product of the warmth and the moisture from your lungs. Your physical form and the entire objective environment -- that outer field of events -- in many respects is no different than the warmth and moisture from your lungs escaping into the cold air, including your physical imagery.
It is the by-product of your consciousness exerting an influence through your beliefs upon the units of consciousness that compose all things, which themselves are composed of nanons. Thus, when you walk, or go to anyplace it appears that you are moving from point A to point B, whilst in reality the entire environment alters its composition to meet the belief that you are activating. Does that make some sense?1
MYRNA: Oh, absolutely.
KRIS: At the same time, most individuals are of the opinion that you need to ferret out all of those little gremlin-like beliefs, yet when a wonderful event springs into your life, through the very fabric of time and space, you do not look for beliefs. We wish you all to ponder upon that one! Does that meet your lovely approval?
MYRNA: Absolutely.
KRIS: Indeed. Perhaps someone else has a question to continue the flow?
ELLA: If I may, this is Ella. You were just talking about nanons, and I actually wanted to ask a question in that area. When you introduced the subject of Uguur and nanons, and I was thinking I had this imagery that was a bit circular, I was thinking from Uguur to Essences, to focuses of Essence to units of consciousness to nanons and then for some reason it looked like from nanons, it went back into something so small then from nanon it went back into something so large. And I'm not sure how to interpret that imagery. Is that just me explaining to myself that size is really irrelevant or is there something that I'm trying to grasp. If you would help me.
KRIS: We would offer instead that you somehow or other were able to INTUIT the connection, the connectedness that exists within all things, which in truth appearances are themselves quite deceiving because it implies a separateness from one thing and another. There is an apparent separateness between yourself and another human being. There is an apparent separateness between yourself and a building, and a building and a car, and a car and a dog, and a dog and water, and so on and so forth.
These appearances are themselves the by-products of the various belief systems that you all adhere to or subscribe to because this is part of the exploration of reality as you know it now. Yet, underneath the thin layer of apparent separateness there is an incredibly complex network of connectedness. Your own physical systems -- your circulatory system, nervous system, digestive system, reproductive system and so on and so forth -- appear to you by the definitions themselves to be separate.
In fact medical science considers that though they may all work to keep the body alive, they are all themselves quite separate, as if any one of them can be amputated at any given time without affecting the overall balance of all the systems. And in theory it works up to a point, but in reality, in terms of the physical body, you cannot simply remove a series of organs or systems and expect the rest to function as if nothing happened. They are interdependent. They are connected.
That connectedness is a vast system of sentient intent which we spoke of concerning the very preliminary creation of reality and the forms within it. There is then a vast network of units of consciousness filled with nodes and nodi, which literally fill up all of the space you think contains nothing between you or any other form or shape or entity.
This space is filled with consciousness and it contains nodes and nodi. That is spelled N-O-D-I --points of entry, smaller nodes creating a vast complex of sentient intent which still permits you all to enjoy your individuality, your independence of thought and expression, but underneath that veneer, that very thin veneer of ego is a vast reality where everything is linked and connected. Does that make some sense to you so far?
ELLA: Well, I think you just tapped into something very deep! (Laughs) But yes, it makes a lot of sense, and it was probably deeper than I hoped for but I will ponder on it.
KRIS: What we are suggesting to you is that the information initially initiated within you a certain recall of that vast interconnectedness that links you all.
ELLA: I do feel it a lot of time more so than before, not maybe in such an eloquent way as you expressed it, but intuitively I do feel it. On a prior question that Myrna asked, I would like to, for myself, confirm or resolve the concept.
I understood what you explained to Myrna and what Myrna already sort of explained for herself that the law of attraction is not necessarily how everything is created -- yes, we manifest things for ourselves as experience to understand what we are working on subjectively, but still I think the law of attraction comes into play anyway as a TOOL in which we produce certain events by concentrating on them and by noticing. Could you explain that a little bit?
KRIS: It simply works on the principle that you get what you concentrate upon.
ELLA: So it still works, you don't have to completely wave it off. You just need to understand why and how, right? And where does it fit.
KRIS: But there are far more things at play than clicking your heels three times, wishing you were in Oz. Do you follow that?
ELLA: (Chuckling) Well, I think I understood, yeah. It's not as simple as just wishing, but it's a good tool to understand while one is learning deliberate creation.
KRIS: Indeed.
ELLA: Okay, Thank you very much. It was awesome, thank you.
KRIS: You are most welcome.
MYRNA: Well, may I then....Kris, you mentioned organs and how they're all created and remove some organs and they cannot not affect others....so that brings up for me a situation right now in my life where there is a very dear friend who has had several organs removed and I would like to know -- oh, I think I already know as I ask this -- but I would like to know how I can...what I can do for him -- me, because I know it's me, too -- in the removal of those organs, how can I influence health? How can I help him/me move back to a place of health?
KRIS: Now, with the organs removed, they cannot simply reappear as such. Do you follow?
MYRNA: Yes.
KRIS: However, it would require an overhauling of the individual's own belief systems concerning health and well-being. And this is not an easy undertaking, but it may require the skills of a geologist and anthropologist in terms of the individual's own psychology. This is, for the time being, the answer we can give you. In other terms, you can unconditionally offer thoughts and energy to support and nurture this person. What this person may do with this energy is their own decision. Do you follow?
MYRNA: Yes, yes I do. I'm wondering what I can do for me -- I created this situation in my life, obviously, so what can I do -- yeah, yeah.
KRIS: Indeed. Now may we suggest a nice pause so that you can all yak to your hearts' content.
MARK: 8:35. Intermission!
(Break begins at 8:35 PM.)
PAUL: All right you guys, I did the calculations of how old Kris … [Paul is interrupted by gales of laughter from the group.)
[ELLEN’S NOTES: We've often teased Paul about his Sumafi penchant for accuracy and preciseness, which he takes good-naturedly and with a grain of salt, as he is wont to say.]
BRIAN: (Calling out over the laughter) How old, Paul? Go ahead, I want to hear it! Did you get your calculator out, Paul?
ELLEN: You've been computing all this time, Paul?!
PAUL: Yeah, I did.
ELLA: Oh, man!
ELLEN: No way you've got a calculator big enough!
BRIAN: Give us an age!
PAUL: Oh yeah, sure, sure! He is 827.82 quadrillion years old. THAT MEANS we're going to be around to help him celebrate his one quintillionth birthday!
BRIAN: ONE QUINTILLION! Wow!
PAUL: That is over....oh my god...one.....let me get this right....one cycle, one complete cycle, if you multiply the hundred years times days, is 91.98 MILLION BILLION YEARS.
DEBBIE: That's just one CYCLE!
PAUL: That's also, then 91.98 quadrillion years, you multiply that times nine and you get 827.82 quadrillion.... (Paul's voice fades out into a chuckle at the mind boggle of it.)
JOHN: Now, here's the question, though, Paul. We haven't asked him how many Uguur cycles WE'VE been through!
(Exclamations among the group.)
BRIAN: Oh, that's a good question!
MARK: We may well be similar in age, some of us may be older [and] some of us may be younger.
DEBBIE: I asked Kris, and he said I was only one cycle.
ELLA: Oh, you asked him that question?
DEBBIE: I asked him that question at a personal session and he said I was one cycle.
PAUL: So, Debbie, you're still in your first cycle?
DEBBIE: Yeah. That's what I was listening for; to try and find out if I could relate to how many years that actually ends up being.
PAUL: Well, that's 91.98 quadrillion years. That's one cycle. 91 million billion.
BRIAN: And Paul, just think: it's all just one big spacious moment.
PAUL: On another level, yes. In physical terms, at least we can --
BRIAN: Well, think of it this way, Paul: when we say to people it goes by in the blink of an eye -- just one life, our life? I'm 43 and it's going by in the blink of an eye -- imagine that this whole thing is just one big blink of an eye!
PAUL: (Agreeing) All of it. All of this!
MARK: Brian, imagine taking a high-powered water rifle, filling it with water, standing about a foot away from a brick wall, firing the water out and being able to track each molecule of water as it comes out of that little nozzle, hits the wall and disperses.
BRIAN: Nice! Nice analogy.
LISA: Yeah, excellent!
MARK: (Humorously) I would like to take credit for it, but that's Kris's!
(Laughter)
MARK: Also, trying for him -- and especially more so for the Netjer -- to channel through Serge is reversing that cycle and trying to get all that water back into that little nozzle.
ELLA: Is that what he's doing, energetically?
MARK: Yes.
DEBBIE: It makes me feel small.
BRIAN: You know, Paul and Mark, on Newworldview, remember we were talking about -- who was it that had that question about superman and I said, "Mine would be when I disengage, I'd like to run the E44 electrics on a 136-car freight train," and I was wondering, when we do disengage, can any of our fantasies or imaginations become reality to us?
ELLA: Supposedly.
MARK: Yeah, who says you have to disengage to do that?
BRIAN: Well, all the E44's and GG-1's -- Paul, you were in this area (Southeastern Pennsylvania): all the electrics are all gone, they've been scrapped on the Penn Central and Pennsylvania railroad -- but in my mind's eye it still exists. After disengagement, can we actually SEE these events from our past?
PAUL: You have other focuses, Brian, that are probably into [those activities] too, right? Counterpart focuses, right?
BRIAN: Oh, well absolutely, that would have to be.
DEBBIE: Like other probabilities?
BRIAN: Exactly. I mean, obviously when we disengage we can view everything.
PAUL: I wouldn't be so quick to assume everything. I think it's in phases and phases.
LISA: Everything we've opened ourselves up to.
ELLA: From what I've read from Elias and Kris, I got the impression that you sort of also get what you concentrate on and what you believe in, and if what you believe is that you're going to hell, you might have some vision similar to hell --
PAUL: Initially.
ELLA: Yes, initially, until you --
BRIAN: -- Seth covered that in Seth Speaks how, if you believe in hell, you're temporarily going to be there until helpers on the other side help you through it.
ELLEN: Belief system territories.
ELLA: But Brian, but if you believe, then your desire upon disengagement that you shall find yourself somewhere on these trains, doing all the wonderful things you like to do, who says that it's not going to happen? I guess it's based on how strong your desire is.
BRIAN: Well sure, it would have to be desire and EMOTION, even P'Taah speaks about that in a lot of stuff: E-motion, energy in motion.
ELLA: Don't think about the marshmallow man!
(A few quizzical chuckles here, no one understanding what Ella is referring to.)
ELLA: Remember in "The Ghostbusters"?
LISA: Yeah!
PAUL: (Understanding) I had to think about the marshmallow man!
MARK: Brian, have you seen the Robin Williams movie "What Dreams May Come"?
BRIAN: Yes. Well, you know Mark, what keeps coming back to me is Seth's quote, most famous quote: your thoughts create realities. In other words, our imaginations create WORLDS! That's a POWERFUL statement! I mean, in other words, we ARE ‘All That Is’. We can create entire worlds upon our mere thoughts, our imaginations!
MARK: Can and DO!
ELLA: Yes, we are actually DOING it right now. You are doing it right now as you are participating and living.
MARK: (As Kris returns on that note) Hold on, Kids!
(8:43 PM)
KRIS: Now we trust that you have had the opportunity to think up other interesting questions. As to the statement that you create WORLDS through the auspices of your imagination, this is indeed a PROFOUND, IMPACTFUL statement. You think that the thoughts that you entertain on a daily perpetual basis -- because mind will always have thoughts -- you think that these things, this imagery, these themes that you subjectively entertain disappear once they leave the territory of what you think is the edge of your Being.
But if you were to take the time and engage the practice of following your thoughts and watch them unfold and transform themselves as they go through the stratas of various psychological environments, then indeed you would but marvel at the grandeur and the power that is contained within that assemblage of units of consciousness and your lives would forever be transformed.
As to our age, or not, various cycles of Uguur literally give birth to various desires and the embodiments of those desires as ESSENCE, which themselves generate Expressions of Essence, or focus personalities and all of the environments necessary to sustain and maintain those expressions. Thus in one sense, there are various ages per se, in terms of Essence, and yet, on a broader scale, since everything is projected from Uguur regardless of the cycles, there is indeed an eternal moment through which everything is.
And though there might appear to be some contradictions with both statements, both statements are themselves true. And this may not be fathomed with the rational, logical mind alone, but with the higher intellect which bridges all of your rationalities. We ourselves have mentioned some time back that if we had to give ourselves a name -- because "Kris" is what Joseph was comfortable with -- but if we had to express our own name, it would be "BRAHM." And we have a particular affinity for this name as you call them. In one specific cycle, the seventh cycle of our own awareness, our energies were in part called upon to play the part of, or the role of, Brahma in another reality.
ELLEN: (Chuckling in awe. In a low voice:) That's big. That's BIG! (The three of us in my group looked at each other with mouths agape at what Kris just said. I wondered at the time how everyone else was responding to this information.)
KRIS: This may be the first and only time we speak of this topic. We have avoided the issue in the past. We will speak about it now, and may not speak of it again. We are not here to generate a cult to personality. We are here to provide assistance.
STEVE: Kris, I need some assistance. This is Steve "Hairsplitter" out here in Santa Barbara.
KRIS: Indeed, Gabriel.
STEVE: Here's my question: I was very intrigued by your sessions with Tom of Hawaii recently that dealt with......rather than him focusing on accepting to neutralize a belief that he would like to get out from under, you told him to establish or cultivate a new belief and you told me once that you could even cultivate that new belief as the opposite of the old belief.
Now that would surely, if you establish the new belief, get you out from under the old one and you told me to -- in order to try and accomplish that task -- to dream up my own method of doing it. And I guess I'm a pretty limited dreamer because the only thing I can think of to do -- let's just make it hypothetical so everybody can relate to it -- let's say that a person has a belief that every time he gets around someone who has a cold, he believes he's going to get that cold.
So the only thing I can think of to do to cause the opposite belief and therefore make you not be grabbing a hold of that old belief anymore is to say to yourself, or out loud, "I have a belief that I will not get a cold after being around somebody who has one." I've tried that, but it doesn't seem to take. Have you got an alternate method or some alternate methods that we could use, because it seems like if we could pull this off, we've had it made! That's my question.
KRIS: Indeed and we may offer you the suggestion that words alone are not enough. When you instill in your suggested example a new belief about colds there are a variety of approaches to take, one which would state that your immune system CAN do without everybody else's beliefs. Your immune system IS strong enough to stay the course, even if many people around you have a cold.
Another approach suggests that whenever you USED to be around someone with a cold, you would subjectively imagine those germs flying in your direction, attacking your immune system, and wearing you down until feel that tickle in the back of your throat, you feel congestion setting in, you feel phlegm building up, and eventually you start coughing and hacking, and you are flat on your back for a week.
The new belief system may work something like this: "Even though I am in the presence of others with a cold, I will not engage mental imagery, even if it is unconscious. I will not engage patterns of images that see the germs flying in my direction. I will instead be immune to their actions and understand that I have a choice whether to be sick or not as well." And you can SEE in your mind's eye that you do not react. You are strong and feel no urge to begin the pattern of the itching throat, the congestion, the build-up of phlegm and eventual coughing. You do not have to go through this process, even if you are surrounded by others with a cold. Do you follow?
STEVE: If I've got you straight, what you added to what I've been doing, which is just to say various mantras to myself, then that's not sufficient. It's not sufficient to just keep telling yourself the same thing over and over again. You have to -- to see it in your mind's eye that it's not going to happen, is that the only thing different that you're adding?
KRIS: You can also FEEL it in that same way. Add those components. This is what the Triple 'A' method should lead you to explore. By paying attention to what you are doing, you also notice that even your imagination is active at all times; and if you are trained as even a child to believe that as soon as you hear someone in the next house SNEEZE, you yourself will begin to react to the germs.
This is all MENTAL. Germs are MENTAL. It is transference of imagery. You can create different images in your mind and FEEL that this new imagery is INDEED, much stronger than the old imagery, and can anchor itself deeply into your mind. Now this does not mean that you will never, ever get a cold, because your own body may at times NEED to flush out accumulations that you put into it, but YOUR contacting cold germs and displaying the symptoms of a cold will be greatly diminished.
And you may even notice that even though initially this process may still not be 100% [effective] at the beginning, there may be noticing that instead of being flat out on your butt for a week, you may only experience mild symptoms for a day or so.
STEVE: How long do you go?
KRIS: Health returns very quickly. Until you perfect or practice the methodology so that you are unaffected for the most part. Do you understand?
STEVE: Yeah, thanks. How long do you think we should try and -- if we keep failing -- that we should give it up?
(Several people call out "NEVER give up!")
BRIAN: Kris, calling upon Heal and Healer (of the Nine Sisters) -- which I've done -- I've actually cured colds through Heal and Healer. Calling upon the Sisters!
MARK: And there's something I could add, too: There's things that you can do to change beliefs around that. For instance, you can say, "If I change my diet and I start eating healthier, adding fruits and vegetables to my daily diet, I will not get these other germs from other people, because I will have a stronger immune system."
BRIAN: Absolutely, because I eat a fruit salad every day and I haven't caught any colds.
MYRNA: Actually, just one piece there: my understanding from Kris is that we don't change beliefs. We move away from one belief and put attention on another.
BRIAN: Exactly!
MYRNA: So that that belief that I'm going to catch a cold by being around somebody who has a cold can still linger -- like they never disappear apparently -- AND I keep refocusing myself on a different belief. So, Steve, if you find that coming up again, know that it's still going to be there until the time that the new belief you've built muscle around.
STEVE: How long do you think that'll take, Kris? For [the new belief] to take?
KRIS: It is our humble observation that, with many people, the usual amount of time required to give up is approximately five minutes.
(Raucous group laughter)
STEVE: What if you did it for six months and failed, should you try something different?
BRIAN: Yeah, try five minutes. (Laughs)
KRIS: The idea is to try to be practical and balanced in the approaches. There is such a thing as overdoing the process. Be patient, be loving and sweet to yourself in ALL regards!
BRIAN: (Whispering) Thank you!
STEVE: How long do you think in general it takes a person to establish a new belief on purpose?
BRIAN: Five minutes!
STEVE: No, that's how long it takes for us to give up, he said.
BRIAN: That's how long it takes to add a new one, too!
STEVE: What do you say, Kris?
KRIS: It can take moments, it can take weeks.
STEVE: You're not looking at a year or something?
ELLEN: It depends on the individual, Steve.
KRIS: Indeed.
BRIAN: It depends on how analytical you are.
STEVE: What do you say, Kris? Would it take a year?
LISA: If you want it to!
BRIAN: Yes. It's up to you, Steve.
STEVE: (Ignoring everyone's input) KRIS?
(Laughter)
BRIAN: It's up to you, Steve, it's up to you, Steve!
PAUL: It's up to Kris.
KRIS: (Patiently waiting for a chance to insert his answer) Give it a few weeks. The point being that as you instill a new belief and you are gentle in your approach -- you do not whack yourself in the head with a two-by-four every few minutes. You also notice small changes in your perceptions and in your life, even minute changes that are substantiating that new belief you are working on -- even if it is very small -- and build upon that. When you build a house, you do not start with the roof. You begin with the foundation, then you erect the frame upon which the roof eventually sits, correct?
STEVE: Yes.
KRIS: Begin with the foundation, erect the frames and then set your roof. Now, are there other lovely questions?
ELLEN: I have a question, Kris. It's a question about Essence names and the power they have? It's interesting that you were talking about your own name, Brahm, and the power of that name a few minutes ago. I think it's interesting how some people really connect with their Essence name and other people don't seem to have a connection at all.
For me, I noticed that the more I understand about myself, I get more peeks and insights into who my Essence is. And it always surprises me at first. I think, "Oh, that can't be me," and then I start to realize, "Oh yeah, that's me," and I can see how that translates into me, and it's a lot of fun, it's delightful.
I remember in the transcription I recently did, John talked about his Essence, Sohars, having a wicked sense of humor and I was just talking to Emmy today on the phone -- she says 'Hi' to everybody by the way -- and she spoke of an amazing experience she had when she chanted her Essence name. Somebody else, too, on Newworldview -- I think maybe it was the New Jersey Tom -- said he chanted his name, or said it three times and had an amazing experience.
But anyway, when you gave me my husband's name on Wednesday night when I had a private session with you, I IMMEDIATELY connected it...I immediately....I KNEW that was my husband right away. It just was him, body and soul. And on Friday morning I had an intense emotional experience.
It was like.....it's hard to describe...but it was like...it was like on Wednesday night I watched you toss a pebble into a well when you said his name, and it took 'til Friday morning 'til the pebble hit the water at the bottom of the well and the ripples just....just moved out and hit the walls of the well in concentric waves and....just moved up and I could just FEEL...my husband's Essence in that name....and I just....(laughs) I don't even know what my question is!
I just uh...it's just a comment on the power of Essence names themselves. I just thought that maybe you could comment on that. It's like some people don't seem to even take any notice of their Essence names; other people, it seems like their Essence name just FILLS them, and that's who they are. And when you spoke my husband's name, it just seemed like that is who he was; I just knew it right away.
KRIS: Now depending upon where the individual is at, they may have an immediate, intense reaction, others may be mild, others rather cool. And even someone in a cool state may eventually warm up, depending where they are psychologically.
The Essence name is a means by which and through which your own Being can resonate with -- and we are not necessarily fond of the word "vibration" because it has been overly used -- but you can resonate with that vibration and use it as a bridge to a larger awareness of Self. Thus, those who would utilize it as a mantra or a chant CAN avail themselves of that attunement in a very delectable and pleasant fashion. Does that make some sense to you?
ELLEN: Yes, it does.
KRIS: And in other instances the Essence name becomes as powerful as an official STAMP that indicates that this is recognized. So there are a great variety of reactions, even to utter indifference, and ALL states of perceptions are quite fine. They are your reactions and not ours.
ELLEN: Thank you.
MARK: Kris, this is meant to be a fun question: In regards to age, are any of us here, as Essence, older than one cycle?
BRIAN: Hmm! Good question.
LISA: Yeah!
MARK: Other than yourself of course!
KRIS: Far be it from us to claim that we are the oldest; otherwise, you would put us in a home! (Laughter all around) But, as we suggested, various cycles also create various Expressions of Essence. Some may be from the most recent cycle, some may be from three cycles removed; some may be from six cycles removed. That would make even some of you quite aged! Luckily you do not have the wrinkles to show! (Laughter)
DEBBIE: Not yet!
MARK: Thank god for daily renewal cream! Or cycle renewal cream!
(Laughter)
KRIS: Then what reality as you define it might be like in a different cycle of Uguur? Because even though one cycle appears to end and one appears to start, that is again a very subjective observation. Cycles do not necessarily end. So there are always various activities going on. Consciousness is not dead outside the periphery of your perceptions.
But imagine for a moment what it might be like in a different cycle of Uguur. What could be occurring? How could life be manifested differently? In YOUR present cycle, the life forms, including your own, are and have always been as they are, but how could they possibly be different in another cycle of manifestation? What would life be like? Would it even be recognizable by your senses? Could your imaginations wrap themselves around the subject? And what IS Uguur like? Is it merely a big blob of being? Or something you cannot quite define yet?
Remembrance can give you some hints, but words will surely fail. But you have avenues of communications well established and well beyond the syntax and words that you utilize to compartmentalize and catalogue your perceptions. You have inner senses and perceptions that can indeed allow you to experience even a fragment of that scale of an experience.
What is the time?
MARK: 9:16.
KRIS: Indeed then, perhaps we can deal with one or two more lovely questions.
MYRNA: I have a request, it's very fast: Could we in another session -- or could you offer us in another session -- an opportunity to go with the thought that you said, "if we could see our thoughts once they got beyond our periphery" --
TOM: A meditation.
MYRNA: Yeah, if you could lead us in a meditation at some point?
KRIS: Indeed.
MYRNA: That would be wonderful. I'd love to be able to travel with those thoughts, and to see the magnificence of the impact.
KRIS: Indeed! We would be most happy to oblige.
MYRNA: Thank you.
BRIAN: Kris, Elias has mentioned that we are birthed into three orientations of common, soft and intermediate, yet you've never really expanded on that idea that Elias stated. Could you?
KRIS: We would suggest that there are many Elias digests that explain this in depth.
(General Chuckling)
BRIAN: (Chuckling good-naturedly. [You can't win them all!]) Thank you Kris.
ELLA: I wanted to follow up on what you said before, that every cycle of Uguur had its own intentions, its own desire. I wondered if you could explain what are its intentions of this current cycle.
KRIS: This is something that cannot necessarily be described in so many words, because words themselves will not only do very little justice to the concept, but will distort it - IMMENSELY -- because that kind of sentient intent is not something that can eventually be trickled down to a few words, but must be experienced at the conceptual [or higher intellect] level.
ELLA: Could we experience that with one of your chants? Because some of them carry some of the more -- I don't know, not emotion -- but carry certain information when you chant.
KRIS: Repeat what you said.
ELLA: I said is it possible to intuitively experience something like that through chanting? Like sometimes when you chant, it evokes certain imagery in me.
KRIS: That may be possible, but Joseph's vocal cords and sinuses are still recovering from this bronchitis. Thus, this evening may not be very conducive.
ELLA: Okay. May I ask, when you were talking about what Uguur is like, I had imagery of a dark red on a darker background. If you can comment on that, okay; if not, that's okay also.
KRIS: It is a good interpretation.
MARK: Ella?
ELLA: Yes?
MARK: Remember that you yourself as an Expression of Essence have more than one intent and desire. Now the Uguur obviously have much more than a single desire and intent in a single cycle. In fact it's probably in the exponential numbers that can't even be counted. It's grand, it's big!
ELLA: Okay.
KRIS: Now whom have we not heard from this evening?
TOM: This is Tom from Hawaii. Could you suggest the method for us to consciously put our minds in a space that is outside of time, into the eternal moment?
KRIS: Allow yourself to imagine that you are going back, back in time, back to a moment before there was any time. Back before there was a concept of space. Allow your mind to be free of anything but the experience at that moment. (Pause) What did you get?
TOM: Uh...a lot of planets and wide open space.
KRIS: Indeed that is a good beginning. Now remember our parable earlier this evening and play with that idea of going back, back in your mind before there even was a time to go back to, or a space and allow yourself to become immersed in that experience and keep at this until you can return from that brief meditation and write down your impressions. They may or may not be one hundred percent accurate and that would indeed be irrelevant. The point being that what you experience in that state is genuine for you.
TOM: Okay, thank you Kris.
KRIS: Indeed. Now what is the time?
MARK: 9:24.
KRIS: Indeed, then we suggest that we end our most lovely evening and that each and every one of you keep in mind that you are more than your physical bodies, you are more than the thoughts that you hold about yourself, you are more than the sum of all of your parts, that you are Uguur children and may your days and dreams be blessed with that knowledge.
ALL: Thank you, Kris.
(9:24 session does not end here.)
BRIAN: Hey Mark, you know what I wanted to tell him? The impression it got was that we're pure love. That's what we are.
MARK: You know what I got? And I've gone through this meditation a lot, but tonight was very different; and even though it was darkness, I had the sense of a lot of different FUN energies! Like voices giggling in the dark, laughing, conversing, even planning what they're going to create, and having a fun, [having a] joyous time!
BRIAN: Hmmm...Yet the overwhelming feeling I got was just this pureness of love.
ELLA: That's good. I also got the feeling of darkness, but there was a lot of FLOW, of different colors, and it was a place of undefined characteristics. Interesting.
ELLEN: I just get spaciousness.
MARK: But never nothingness.
ELLEN: Not nothingness -- spaciousness.
BRIAN: A vastness.
ELLEN: Potential.
ELLA: Did any of you get anything when he said "Imagine what the Uguur are like"? It sounded very subjective. I was just curious what it evokes in you, any imagery?
LISA: Vast imagery.
BRIAN: Well, every time I look in the mirror I see Uguur!
ELLA: Aw, come on, Brian! (Everyone laughs and good-naturedly mocks Brian)
BRIAN: I just happen to be a little egocentric!
(Laughter)
ELLA: (Laughing) I'm not denying that you are Uguur, I'm just saying share any more wonderful imagery you might have had.
BRIAN: (Chuckling) I'm a lead guitar player in a rock band, who plays every weekend! I LOVE the spotlight! I AM Uguur!
ELLA: I don't play guitar, but I love the spotlight too!
MARK: Ella, I have something you can do to try and experience the Uguur. You know what your own personality is like, right?
ELLA: Yes.
MARK: Now, what is the personality of your city? (Pause) What is the personality of your country? (Pause) What is the personality of the western hemisphere? (Pause) What is the personality of the entire world?
ELLA: Hmm. Wow.
MARK: What is the personality of the Universe? And what is the personality of ALL Universes? Now you are starting to see or experience Uguur.
BRIAN: Nice!
LISA: Did you come up with that yourself?
MARK: Yes.
BRIAN: That's cool!
ELLA: I really like that. It's a little overwhelming once you get past the western hemisphere!
MARK: It's funny because you notice different personalities within each of these things.
BRIAN: Mark, we've got to do this again (referring to "open mike" night), this was really potent! Great! We must do this once a month, a session like this.
MARK: (Chuckling)
ELLEN: Once a month would be every other session, Brian.
BRIAN: Oh sorry! Maybe every two months -- or how about BRI-monthly?
MARK: Frequently, anyway.
(Laughter and a period of chitchat ensues, then Paul states that Kris did not answer Mark's question inquiring which Essences among us might be older and which younger. Mark offered that Kris did say that some people's Essences hold more than one cycle, some two or three or even six. Some discussion then follows on what is the relevance of time in Essence terms, where time has no real meaning, as some point out, but Paul points out that it IS relevant and very real to us in Quadrant One terms, which cannot be denied.)
MYRNA: Ella, what might one of the answers to your question about what is this cycle like, what is the intention of this cycle, and it sounds to me as if time is one of the intentions.
ELLA: Could be. It certainly is within our experience. That's a big concept.
STEVE: I don't think there's such a thing as time in OUR dimension; it's just something we make up. It's the way we segment experience with our neuron structure, it doesn't --
ELLEN: (Breaking in) This from the guy who was asking how much time it takes to change a belief?!?
(Laughter)
MARK: (To Steve) But that makes it real -- the fact that we talk about it and we perceive it and even name it as TIME. That makes it real.
MYRNA: It's all about beliefs, anyway.
ELLA: Steve, with your question about beliefs and how long it takes, it also varies from one belief to another. You could very easily re-align with some belief which is not as easy or certain; it might take you a very long time to re-align with some belief which is also maybe a mass belief, right? You won't be able to get a generic answer.
STEVE: How long do you think it would take you to give up if you tried it on just an average, uh?... [Ella interrupts.]
ELLA: Look, I have to tell you, I have asthma and asthma is a chronic illness and I used to think that chronic illness could not ever be cured because that's what they tell you. And right now I'm working on re-aligning with a different belief, that my body can heal whatever it wants. BUT it happens very slowly, and I've been working on it for years, and I confirmed in Vermont with Elias that I've invented a tool that allows me to move in increments, and I'm doing that and I don't care how long it takes. I'm not setting a deadline or expectation.
STEVE: What percent of it have you gotten rid of so far?
ELLA: Well, I could tell you that before, I had to suck on my inhalers all the time and now I'm moving toward the point of abandoning them and that's a BIG, big plus for me, and I can tell you, I've been on the strongest inhalers and now I'm -- you know, it's not straightforward, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't and I'll have a setback, but I just go from there. I don't know what's going to happen tomorrow, but if you set an expectation of a deadline, you're gonna fail, Buddy!
JO: And if you tell yourself that focusing on a different belief doesn't work, then that's going to play out also. You know to me, Steve, I don't think that there's a better method out there, so I'm going to keep doing this for as long as it takes, even if it's forever. So to me, it's senseless putting a deadline on it because then what? Then what's my option? I don't think there's a better way.
STEVE: The thing is, Joanne that you buy into this thing that Kris says, that this method works?
JO: Yeah, I do!
STEVE: So you're trying it in your own life?
JO: Oh, absolutely. It isn't just Kris, its Elias and Seth and all of them.
STEVE: I don't think that Elias uses that method. He doesn't say to ignore accepting the old belief and just try to establish a new one.
JO: No, it's a little different; his is about accepting beliefs, but you know, it's all about NOTICING beliefs and how they play [out] in what we create. It's all variations on the theme to me.
ELLA: I also think it's important -- I don't know if I could even do it -- just to me, today, it just seems important that a person dealing with certain belief or a problem figures out whatever tool works for him. It's not necessarily what Kris tells you, you actually could add something [else] that agrees with you and then realize that yes, you yourself created that. And you're using as a tool whatever works. If you could imagine yourself shielded by your aura, or you imagine that something can just push it away, whatever imagery works for you, you know?
STEVE: Ella, what do you think the problem is that you've been doing this method for YEARS and you're still using the inhaler? What is the problem? Why can't we DO it??
ELLA: Its choice of experience and through that experience I'm learning. And I don't see it as a problem. I see it as a choice of experience.
MYRNA: Yeah, I think that's a really great answer, Ella. Steve, there's a belief that you hold, I suspect, that says that it needs to be either this or that --
SERGE: And right away.
MYRNA: -- and right away, and what I hear Ella saying is that her choice here is not to go there, but to say: "I started with this, I want it better," and what she's seeing IS better, whether that works for you or not, if that's better for you or not, I don't think is the issue, Steve.
I think that Ella has found a way to change her experience and so, what I would ask of you is that you go inside, just like Kris suggests that we do, and see if there's anything that resonates for you in this belief system, or in this changing attention from one belief to another. If there IS a resonance, then starting there, then you can work with yourself to move that. If there ISN'T a resonance with that, then perhaps there is another tactic.
ELLA: I also wanted to add that, with me, within my reasoning on that subject, I first had to realize what the payback was and I was using that for awhile as an excuse for myself -- when I was overwhelmed with some responsibility, that asthma and being sick began to withdraw without feeling guilty.
When I realized that I'm strong enough, I do not need that excuse any more so there was also a desire to change it and understand that on some level I could. So, if certain failures occur in your life, Steve, have you realized what it's telling you, and then possibly go from there? Maybe you still need that condition in your life. It doesn't have to be a disease, it could be anything, maybe there's a reason that you still want to experience it.
STEVE: Anybody have any luck with having their livingroom fill up with money yet?
ELLA: Yeah, well, that's -- as Kris said, you have to be practical, right?
JO: You know, I wanted to comment -- I'm glad that you said that because it reminded me of something else I wanted to mention because what you said to Ella about her still needing an inhaler, you were focusing on her still needing an inhaler and what you forgot about was when she talked about the stronger medicine that she had been on and the success that she's had in minimizing the amount of medicine that she's been on, so when you say "roomful of money," you know, things typically don't manifest that way, but maybe, if you want to change your beliefs you'll find a few more coins in your pocket, or dollars in your wallet. For Ella, it's minimizing her asthma medication.
(Kris returns at this point)
KRIS: We may perhaps add an addendum to this discussion. Are you all familiar with the term "whittling"?
(Yes)
BRIAN: Like whittling a branch?
KRIS: Indeed. We believe this may be a very useful approach: whittling away at your dependence upon a particular belief or even set of beliefs. Begin noticing how you are bridging to the new set of beliefs such as the small increments of successes instead of focusing upon what is left to whittle?
STEVE: Kris, what's the reason why we never get to the finish line?
KRIS: Because you are -- not you personally -- but many individuals want it to be done RIGHT NOW, without realizing that the majority of you would vehemently rebel against such a practice. You would have to immediately abandon the reasons why you keep the beliefs active in the first place. Most of you do it for a variety of reasons, including need for recognition, utilizing it as a social net, and so on and so forth.
Whatever the reasons are that you hold and activate beliefs, you can easily and very nicely whittle down until you have created a new belief working on the bridge to that new belief. We have suggested some time ago that if you are sailing away from one continent towards another continent, you will be in an area where there is no continent per se.
Thus, it may feel as if you are in belief limbo, uncertain where you are until you begin to honor that process as well, of leaving one shoreline to reach another. That process alone may give you far more confidence to edge slowly towards the new continent. Bridging the two continents with a system of honoring the process and whittling away may give you just the edge --
STEVE: -- What you just said, about we may have to deal with the reasons why we keep holding onto the old belief, in order to get to the finish line, what you're saying is that it's not enough to get to the finish line just to establish the new belief; you've got to deal with the old one, is that what you're saying?
KRIS: That is correct. The journey is NOT the destination. Does that make sense?
BRIAN: Actually I'm going through that right now, Kris, thank you.
KRIS: Now, since your conference mechanism says that it will end shortly, we will leave you to whittle away at whatever you wish! And enjoy whittling.
ALL: Thank you, Kris.
(Session ends at 9:48 PM)
Detailed Roll call:
Toronto: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), John (Sohars), and Myrna (Shara-Leene)
Castaic: Paul (Janaki) and Jo (Rosalie)
Delaware: Ellen (Kwaa'Ji), Brian (Enzo/El-don) and Cathy (Segova)
Hawaii: Tom (Desire)
New Jersey: Ella (Lazuli)
Salt Lake: Anya (Greensleeves)
Santa Barbara: Steve (Gabriel)
Oklahoma: Debbie
Oregon: Lisa
ENDNOTES
1 MARK'S NOTES: This concept of consciousness transforming particles around you to create the illusion of movement and of environment is not new. Here is a link to one of the sessions where Kris discussed this.
[Breathing Revolution May 26, 2005]
There were at least two other occasions where this topic was discussed. One was on a walk with Mark and Serge where we did not have the recorder. The other, entitled "Walking in Your Psyche" was an amazing walk, but the microphone was damaged when the recorder was dropped. The audio file was inaudible.
