Kris Chronicles
Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois and Transcribed by Ellen Gilbert (Kwaa'Ji)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on January 22, 2006

Summary Roll Call: Serge, Mark, Michelle, Paul, Jo, Carl, Gail, Ellen, Cathy, Brian, Evelyn, Tom, Lisa, and Anya

(For a detailed roll call, please go to the end of the transcript.)

(Session begins at 7:40 PM)

KRIS: Now then, we thank you for your consideration and we trust that you are all comfortable. Now, we believe that your football games are of great importance, and if we are given the opportunity, we predict that one of the two teams will win! (Group laughter.) [There was some chat pre-session about the upcoming Super Bowl.]

(To Mark:) Now perhaps this is a rare opportunity to un-mute, as we would like some interaction.

[Mark toggles the conference call so that everyone can be heard.]

MARK: Okay.

KRIS: Now, we would like to know who remembers the last discussion and to be able to summarize.

MARK: Ellen?

ELLEN: (I misunderstood Kris when he asked Mark to un-mute everyone. I thought he told him to put on mute, so I say to my group.) We're on mute now.

(A strange rasping sound comes across)

PAUL: (Laughing) Was that Ellen's answer?

ELLEN: (Astonished and giggling) Can you guys hear me? I thought we were muted!

MARK: No, not any more.

PAUL: It's all on the record.

ELLEN: (Laughing) Oh, okay! Now wait a minute...The last thing on my mind right now is the Toronto session [I just finished transcribing] so I'm trying to think back!

[My group in Delaware had gathered together about a half hour pre-session and opened two bottles of wine. Our conversation was lively and stimulating, the vibes were good, and the wine was excellent. By the time Kris arrived, we were all fairly toasty, so we were a bit on the silly side, especially me, I admit, as I was in a celebratory mood, having had a medical scare two days earlier that had turned out to be far less serious than I had feared.]

CATHY: Compassion.

ELLEN: Oh, yes! Compassion! The Compassion Session, yes, thank you. Cathy said, "The Compassion Session." Exactly!

MARK: "The Year of Enlightenment by Compassion."

ELLEN: (The details begin to coalesce) That's right, yes. I even told my little compassion story and that was the session with the parable of the Man on the Mountain. Anybody else remember other things on that session?

CATHY: The last time?

ELLEN: Yeah, the last time you were here.

CATHY: Oh -- the big teachers that come in...You know, Buddha and Jesus and so forth -- their teachings got distorted into religious and political --

ELLEN: Yeah and how the Christ story came from older stories like Krishna, and Mithras and the White Bull, and the Osiris and Isis and Horus myths. How am I doing so far? (Laughs)

BRIAN: (Humorously) In other words, we plagiarized!

KRIS: And what other summarizations can be provided?

MARK: All of mankind can be considered one being.

ELLEN: Beautiful!

PAUL: This is Paul in Castaic, another theme that struck a chord with me was that learning to practice compassion and work with compassion in all its different forms is very challenging and WILL be very challenging for us. Kris essentially threw down a gauntlet and a challenge in that session to us all to be on alert as this year unfolds to be dealing with compassion.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: And a chant.

KRIS: Now there are also other reasons why we introduced this subject matter and some have to do with challenging your own assumptions concerning enlightenment and compassion together. Considering that many different interpretations are given, especially concerning the word "enlightenment" but also the word "compassion." And that is why we have brought them together and created a theme for these discussions.

And we understand it is not everyone's cup of tea, depending upon their perspective and their own philosophical backgrounds, but it is nonetheless a subject matter from which many benefits can be derived through discussions, examination, and the Triple 'A' method. Who can give some traditional interpretation of the word "enlightenment"?

(Silent pause)

PAUL: This is Paul in Castaic, picking up the silence, um...awakening...awakening to our true foundational nature, awakening to consciousness at its Source.

ELLEN: Good one. An unfolding.

MARK: A wider awareness of self.

CATHY: Non-duality.

KRIS: In many traditional religious perspectives, enlightenment has a few different interpretations, mostly dealing with a commitment to be the mouthpiece of the deity du jour (Group laughter) as well as a renunciation of one's carnal fleshiness and giving away of one's human identity -- thus one's ego -- for the pursuit of the desires of one deity or another, depending upon the culture. And this on its own should give you certain clues because all cultures, all different religions, have individuals who become enlightened in their own terms, or in the terms of the religious philosophy these individuals are pursuing in that specific focus.

This should indicate to you that the term "enlightenment" by its very nature has a much broader definition and is a phenomenon that is common to all of the different religious denominations past, present and future. In all different religious bodies there are individuals who become enlightened, which should indicate that enlightenment itself is not specific to any one religious body or philosophy but may indeed very well be a universal phenomenon.

The individual utilizes the vehicle of the religious philosophy he or she is involved in for the purposes of that focus in conjunction with those other individuals who become involved in one form or another with that one individual. But the phenomenon itself is far broader and has far-reaching implications into the very nature of the human psyche. Just as religions themselves are not particular to one group of people -- though one group of people may have a specific religious philosophy --but all people have different philosophies.

All different groups, and yet there are numberless similarities on many levels in all of the various cultures and groups and nations, irregardless of time and space. This is a phenomenon that is innate to your human nature. Of course not everyone has access to it, though the potential is innate to everyone. It could even be said that even individuals that are not particularly involved in any religious philosophy or denomination or group of any kind can also attain a type of enlightenment. And we would offer in this regard one example that you know as Ruburt.

BRIAN: Ruburt! (Brian was whispering here, but Kris heard)

KRIS: Indeed!

BRIAN: Jane Roberts.

KRIS: Each individual has therefore access to the wider awareness of their own Source, but this is not something that exists merely in words, but very specifically in deeds, thus still respective of compassion as the tempering element within the state of enlightenment. Without the deeds, without the actions, it may very well be little more than sentimentalism and intellectual masturbation.

(Group laughter)

BRIAN: What was that word?

CATHY: What you're doing.

(Delaware cracks up totally. I fear at this point we're becoming a disruption.)

ELLEN: (Snickering) You'd better mute us, Mark!

BRIAN: The girls took advantage of me!

KRIS: Thus... (Kris kindly pauses while we collapse in gales of laughter in Delaware)

BRIAN: Sorry, Kris!

KRIS: Thus you always will notice that most individuals are not relying solely upon any kind of philosophy code perspective but will always venture into the actions to compliment their understanding. And by enlightenment we may also widen the understanding of the word to specifically include that this is a process of remembering of Essence, remembering Source, connecting with Source.

This is of importance because over the next century, there is the potential for more such manifestations in your social networks, but individuals who are less prone to be in the midst of religious and denominational factions and more in the midst of groupings of common individuals, the everyday person. And we need to be very clear here. This has been said before in other forms, but enlightenment in this fashion means that BEFORE your so-called enlightenment, you went to the bathroom, and AFTER your enlightenment, you will still go to the bathroom.

(Riotous group laughter)

ELLEN: Chop wood, carry water.

CATHY: Yep!

KRIS: There are philosophies that proclaim that once you attain enlightenment then you need do little more than present yourselves to the world and the world falls at your feet. Or that the enlightenment is instantaneous, or that your own physical form will somehow or other be magically trans-substantiated and will rise into the heavens. These are varieties of distortions that pervade many of your religions as well as many of your metaphysical and New Age nincompoopery!

(Gales of laughter. What a great word!)

KRIS: Even in such stages as enlightenment there are still processes that in degrees and layers of understanding are always unfolding within the individuality. Remember that you are multidimensional beings. You are gestalts, meaning that you are always more than the sum of all of your parts. And stages of enlightenment may mean that you are more in remembrance of Source or Essence than perhaps the Joneses down the street, but it does not mean that you are gods by any traditional understanding of the process.

That kind of godhood is strictly mythological in the sense that it is allegorical and representational of some of your own highest ideals, but is not factual. That is why in some respects many of you have turned to these teachings from Seth, Elias and others because you have an intuitive understanding that the gods and goddesses of old, the symbols utilized to subjugate and control the masses through religious indoctrination are merely that: symbols and not factual.

They are not truth, but indicative of deeper truths that exist in your own nature, truths that circulate along with the blood in your veins. (As Kris continues, he goes into what Mark and Serge have termed his "rolling thunder" voice, a deeply resonant and thunderous vocalization.) DEEP TRUTHS THAT BEAT IN YOUR HEART, DEEP TRUTHS THAT RESONATE WITH THE SOUND OF OUR VOICE IN THE CELLS OF YOUR BODY! TRUTHS THAT FLOAT IN AND OUT OF YOUR THOUGHTS ON A DAILY BASIS TO REMIND YOU OF THE GRACEFUL AND GRACE-FILLED NATURE OF YOUR HOLY BEING!

Truths that are not found in scriptures or under the robes of priests, or on the altars of churches but truths that resonate in your being and make themselves into the flesh that you are! Those kinds of truths are enlightenment! That in the sound of YOUR voices the universe speaks, though it is often unheard. And deep in the cells of your being the cosmos is given birth time and again because your bodies sing of those truths.

Now, what is the time?

MARK: 8:06.

KRIS: Then, we suggest a lovely enlightenment break, so that you can ponder some questions for afterwards.

(Break begins at 8:06 PM)

BRIAN: Hey Mark, Serge and Paul -- the first thing that struck me -- I just wrote it down -- "enlightenment is the truth of self," quote, unquote....It just hit me....this is Brian, by the way. Not that you could tell.

MARK: I think that's a fair statement.

ELLEN: Sounds pretty good to me.

BRIAN: (Humorously) Paul, you can use my Essence any time you want, just put a copyright next to it, please?

(Group laughter)

PAUL: A trademark line!

BRIAN: (Laughs)

ELLEN: Very interesting tonight, really interesting.

JO: In technical terms: "Nincompoopery"!

ELLEN: I love it! Evelyn came a little early to have a Tarot reading and we were talking about pretty much the same thing - we were having the same discussion about religion that Kris was just talking about. She's originally from China and moved here when she was nine with her parents and she was talking about -- and it came up in her Tarot reading -- about how she straddles two worlds and has been trying to find a compromise between the two worlds, her American self and her traditional Chinese self, you know her parents have been so.... (turning to Evelyn) What would you call it?

EVELYN: Chinese?

(Riotous laughter)

ELLEN: But they've been so demanding of you, I guess [to remain true to traditional Chinese roots], and she also said.... (turning again to Evelyn) uh, can I tell them this?

(Everyone cracks up)

EVELYN: I went to school in Utah, so can you imagine what I spent my years as? (Laughing)

ELLEN: Yeah, she became a Mormon for awhile. So she's had a lot of background in a lot of very interesting...religious...well... (Laughing)...she's had a lot of different religious indoctrination!

(Evelyn and I both crack up. Our discussion together during her Tarot reading was so very interesting, but difficult to put into words at that moment, and we are all feeling light and silly. Our Delaware group has had a bit too much wine, but we are having a grand time.)

SERGE: So how is the session?

(Silent pause)

ELLEN: (Loudly) Well, damn, Serge! That's what we're talking about here! (Laughing) It's very good we're enjoying it very much!

BRIAN: Yeah, here at "masturbation station!"

(That sends me into paroxysms of helpless laughter. No more wine for me!)

BRIAN: What an entertainer I am!

MARK: Are you guys picking up the "rolling thunder"? The voice he's using?

(Affirmations all around of "Oh yeah!" and "Definitely!")

PAUL: Yeah, I noticed that.

BRIAN: I'm deaf from thirty years of being a musician and I could still hear it.

MARK: He's very deep tonight. He's in a deep trance.

ELLEN: What I was trying to point out was that it felt like he was picking up on our discussions earlier.

CATHY: Yes, definitely mine too. And I wasn't even here.

MARK: Either that or you were picking up on him.

ELLEN: Could be, could be!

PAUL: I'm glad he's expanding his definition of enlightenment because it's so easy to distort, and as he said, it's so broadly interpreted in so many different traditions, yet it's common to human experience. It's good that he's starting to add some depth, this being the Year of Enlightenment by Compassion, after all.

ELLEN: He has talked so much about connecting with Source, I'm glad that he put those two together, that enlightenment is both remembrance of Essence and connecting with Source.

PAUL: Essence is in Quadrant two and three and beyond that is -- you know -- the light, the Brahmajyoti, Quadrant four and so on. What does enlightenment have to with that larger cosmology of Kris' that he's talked about. To tie in Elias, he's talked about the remembrance of Essence, which is really just a middle mediating part of the gestalt of...you know...when you think in linear terms, but it's non-linear too, so this enlightenment and what you're remembering, what you're widening -- it's hard for me to put it into words because I'm in a linear body and language right now, but my sensing, my inner sensing conceptualization of this concept is.....it's big. (Laughter)

It's big, so the focus -- we're talking about focuses and how focuses develop in Quadrant one, Level one, Framework one and remembering Essence, which is a pretty big deal, by the way. It's very, very important but there's more to this, too, and I'm hoping he'll talk somewhat about that just to color the larger conversation so we don't just get locked into the remembrance of Essence which is pretty much a conventional sort of definition, New Age definition, I guess, of widening awareness and enlightenment.

SERGE: Normally, before Kris comes through I'll yawn once or twice; but I had six or eight yawns and they were big ones, and I didn't know what was going on and it's just like...almost like falling off the edge of the cliff here.

PAUL: Cool! Welcome back.

(Group chuckles)

MARK: During his rolling thunder there, I closed my eyes and started to see visuals, and I walked into...like a grand, huge… like a Chinese emperor's castle or temple. I'm reminded of a movie we watched with a Chinese emperor being at the far, far end and people were only allowed to come within so many paces, but I was at the furthest point in the room and Kris was at the opposite end of the room and he spoke and it just....it was like waves bellowing. It was really nice!

ELLEN: That's cool!

MARK: Waves seemed to reverberate off the walls.

ELLEN: That sort of thing...you're getting more and more of that kind of experience, aren't you Mark?

MARK: Yes, definitely. My dreams lately are very vivid and strange. I'm not quite able to interpret them fully but I'm paying attention to them a lot.

ELLEN: You're getting some really interesting visuals.

MARK: Yeah.

ANYA: This is Anya. He mentioned something about stages of the process....I'm just wondering if he would expand a little bit on that. I'm just curious where you draw lines and where it begins and ends...you know, I mean I don't expect [to know] where the end will be, but it will be interesting to hear anything on the stages of that process.

MARK: I think one of the things that he was stressing there is that there is NOT an end that it is a continuing process and there are therefore different stages that you reach.

PAUL: For the focus personality that's physically focused, though, there's some place where the throttle is fully non-dual, is fully opened. You're still, you know, having to go to the bathroom, and as the non-dual traditions talked about it, your experience arises -- the world of form arises -- but because you're engaging the remembrance, you're fully merged with all things that arise in your awareness. There's no separation whatsoever, in these deepest stages, at least as some of the stages and some of the Eastern and mystical traditions talk about. So I'd be curious if Kris will address some of those human, focus stages and alignment.

MARK: Here we go.

(Kris returns at 8:15)

KRIS: Now these various stages of enlightenment, as experienced through the lives of many of your sages and saints -- some of whom are then elevated to the status of divine beings themselves by their followers -- may indeed have different but common experiences nonetheless. They may experience very many similarities in states of consciousness, but they may also be couched in different experiences depending upon the background, the religious and philosophical stance involved.

But in spite of those filters, there are still very many common denominators that could easily identify their perspectives with their brothers and sisters who are undergoing similar processes, but from different backgrounds. And a revision of some of these individuals' lives from various cultures and religions will quickly indicate this. It must be remembered that there is no ONE state of enlightenment or remembrance that is specifically going to be one hundred percent identical to another, experienced by someone else, but again, there will be many commonalities.

Simply to show you that enlightenment is not a state of soupy oneness where all of your identities and individualities merge into oblivion and obliterate the individual traits and characteristics expressed through your ego construction. There will still be colorful differences and meaningful similarities at once, from one individual to another. The notion that once you are enlightened, you are IT is misleading.

There is no specific oneness, even up to the fourth quadrant of consciousness, as we have expressed some time ago, even though differentiation and non-differentiation states, duality and non-duality are no longer necessary, there is still the maintaining of individuality. And this is something perhaps difficult to comprehend to a great degree because you are so accustomed -- you may even cherish the thought and the belief -- that your individuality, your expressed individualism, is an impediment because you associate it strictly with your ego construction.

And on the contrary, your ego construction reflects some of your individualism and not the other way around. Your individualism -- your precious individuality, your identity -- is far different than what you know specifically in terms of your fleshy expression. And it will be with you, because it is who you are, and it will still continue as integral to the very matrix of your multi-dimensional being, up to and including with those stages of being that are specific to the fourth quadrant -- what we refer to as Core Light, simply for lack of a better word -- because the definitions expressed in your languages are often misleading if they exist at all.

And you may take this to the bank: none of you will sit in hellfire OR on a cloud next to a bearded guy for all eternity. These are still limited perspectives and the idea that images and philosophies and religions you have concerning the manufacturing of your divine creatures in itself are psychological prisons of the worst kind because you utilize these structures to limit and hinder the creative potential of Self.

(Once again utilizing the "rolling thunder" voice.) YOU CREATE THE GODS AND GODDESSES TO IMPRISON YOUR IMAGINATION AND CREATIVITY AND THEN YOU ACT AS PUPPETS TO YOUR OWN CREATIONS! AND THAT IS WHY MANY OF YOU -- AS WE SUGGESTED EARLIER -- HAVE AN INTUITIVE UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU HAVE AS A POWER TO BREAK AWAY FROM THOSE BALL AND CHAIN IDEALS, THOSE COLLECTIVE BELIEFS.

That is why you seek to get in touch with your own stages of enlightenment. That is why compassion is important, because you cannot offer yourself such allowances but through being compassionate with your nature, with your creaturehood, because it implies and involves an understanding that even your fleshy being, your lovely cellular constructions are in need of a great deal of T.L.C.

And that you may if you so desire, start recognizing that it is not by berating and belittling and discounting of your own human nature that you are going to attain any kind of remembrance of Essence and connection with Source, because Essence and Source SPEAK through your blood, your bones, your eyes. You are Expressions of Essence! Carefully study the implications of those words and remember your roots! Remember where you come from!

Physically, genetically you may come from the sperm and the ovum of your parents, but you WERE, you existed before those two simple elements came together, composed the foundation of your house of flesh. And that is why you seek this type of knowledge, of understanding, because there is a deep original loving nature to who you are. And you are seeking to remember it. The processes involved begin with the searching you have all been doing, some for months, some for years, and some for decades.

Now what is the time?

MARK: 8:29.

KRIS: Perhaps there are lovely questions that you'd like to ask, as long as you are ready for the answers.

BRIAN: Kris this is Brian from Delaware. I'd just like to say thank you for speaking right to my heart.

KRIS: You are most welcome.

PAUL: Kris this is Paul in Castaic. I'm struck by your discussing redefining enlightenment in terms of the focus personality aspect as it's manifest in Quadrant One and Level One and I think that's where the pertinent action occurs and where the practical application of this information is; and yet, as I become more aware of my multi-dimensional self and nature, I realize that the conventional, pre-modern definitions of enlightenment are somewhat limiting and I know you're addressing to that so my question is really......you've discussed the focus personality in terms of .......let's just say, using you as an example, in your native focus in the Gaura cluster, it's quite different, a different part of the gestalt of this larger self of ‘All That Is’.

Enlightenment, or Remembrance, must occur in every quadrant, but yet, it has to have quite different characteristics in the other quadrants, so I'm wondering if you would just briefly address the other quadrants for what you're comfortable with.

KRIS: Indeed and in this you are correct, just as upon your own planet with its various religious denominations and groups and structures, there are various expressions of this remembrance of Essence or enlightenment. SELF, Essence, does not intrude and invade the focus personality's own structures with the aim of blowing it apart, like blowing up a bridge. On the contrary, that would constitute massive intrusiveness. There is a meeting point. For every degree of allowance the expression desires, Essence or Source feeds that remembrance. Do you follow?

PAUL: Yes.

KRIS: Thus it is in some respects, inappropriate to consider that those who are enlightened in some way or another have reached the peak of human spiritual evolution. They have merely begun their own journey as an example of what others can attain and aspire to. So it is a completely different perspective of the human experience, but it is still within the bounds of that human experience.

For example, how does Essence manifest remembrance of its OWN Source? And how is this remembrance, this enlightenment, constituted in other planes or dimensions, such as in other clusters of consciousness?

A most interesting question and perhaps the answers might be difficult to translate considering that in some instances there might not be any language to express it, because at this point in time, the most evolved language in its term, limits itself to enlightened states and states of becoming Divine, which are in themselves somewhat misleading. If for example, you spend your existence getting away from and dismantling religious indoctrination from your experience, why would you then become that which you sought to remove yourself from in the first place? Do you follow?

PAUL: Yes.

KRIS: So this is somewhat misleading. From the perspective of other beings, each will undergo varieties of changes in their perspective, in their awareness as well. The processes are indeed common to ALL of those Expressions of Essence that choose to go through those processes. The differences are the props within which -- or the context within which -- the experience is triggered and unleashed.

And it is usually done with consent, though subjectively from all of the various Expressions of one Essence -- some you term reincarnational lives and probable selves and so on, because there is a subjective awareness that they also will benefit to one degree or another and they will pursue their own evolution and will take their journey one step at a time.

For Essence does not impose, but offers and supports and nurtures ALL of the experiences of ALL of its expressions, even those that would temporarily express what you commonly refer to as atheism, complete disbelief in any religious divine beings or any such manifestations thereof in all of its forms. And this is still supported and nurtured within the context of Essence, and it does not present conflict. Do you follow so far?

(Yes)

Essence honors ALL of its expressions, though some of its own expressions may not do so in return. That is the non-dual perspective of Essence outside the context of time and space as you know it. You express yourselves through various belief systems, including duplicity. Essence does not.

At some other layers in other clusters, there is also the same type of process within the context of its OWN orientations, of its OWN challenges. And even in the third quadrant we also engage deeper layers of that remembrance in ways that are simply impossible to syntactically describe. Suffice it to say that there are fathomless sources to being. It is not a process that will ever end. And there is no duality at this stage. We trust that this answer makes some sense to you.

PAUL: (Chuckling) It does, and let me just try and summarize all the territory that you very kindly have covered with your answer. I'm framing my question through your quadrants map and exploring the different things and just to summarize then -- generally speaking, with this topic of enlightenment -- no matter where you are within ‘All That Is’, we're talking about duality -- sets of duality, individuality, and then non-duality, or mergence of unity awareness -- and then if we just generally talk about the four quadrants generally, then we can loosely say that there's a SPECIES, or a type, of duality/non-duality process, an action unique, and in fact perhaps that's what defines in your perception these four quadrants. Is that accurate?

KRIS: This is an acceptable summary.

PAUL: (Chuckling) Okay! That'll do for tonight. (Group laughter) It was very helpful actually, thank you.

BRIAN: Kris, this is Brian. I get the funny feeling this process of enlightenment is a forever unfolding.

KRIS: Forever is a very long time.

BRIAN: Forever in the now.

KRIS: Indeed, there are always various integrative stages, and it is not that once you attain SOME kind of enlightenment, you nonchalantly pooh-pooh away all of your experiences beforehand. They actually become very much cherished, but not necessarily the main focus of your drive. Do you follow?

BRIAN: Yes.

KRIS: There are always creative, inventive pursuits. Many of those that you have perceived as attaining some degree of remembrance of Essence, that you have qualified as sages and saints in your histories, have expressed deep mystical interpretations of their processes, again through the filters of beliefs, again within the context of their own background.

And this is not about to change. But NOW there is a different filter possible, one that did not necessarily manifest itself until this last century and that is a remembrance in a different sector of human experience without necessarily being covered under the guise of religious revelation, though this still occurs. But there is a new species of enlightenment and remembrance and it can deal with Source without immediately trapping this remembrance in the strait-jacket of religious indoctrination and brain-washing. That does make a significant difference to the experiences now available to your species. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

ELLEN: Kris I have a question.

(Mark and I began to speak at the same time.)

MARK: Go ahead.

ELLEN: In my last private session I had asked you a question and you kind of anticipated my answer and I let it go at the time. At that time I said it must be hard when Essence creates a focus and you answered that it comes out of pure desire. But that wasn't the end of my question, but I let it go at the time...but what I was trying to ask you was....I wanted to know what it's like for Essence...is it a dilemma for Essence when a focus denies and turns away from Essence...does it become a challenge for Essence to reach that focus personality?

KRIS: We believe that we have partially answered this moments ago and at the same time it does not represent a challenge. It is merely a matter of nurturing that expression in any way necessary; even to pretend that the expression's belief in total denial of the phenomenon of its own Source can be manufactured for that expression.

ELLEN: It kind of goes back to your parable of the Man on the Mountain, too....how the man on the mountain denied that he was sitting on a mountain full of gold....but he denied himself the gold -- the comfort, the pleasure and the joy he could have obtained from the gold of the very mountain he was sitting on. Is that a fair assessment?

KRIS: It is not a challenge per se to still hold and nurture any expression that chooses what it chooses. The Essence that engendered the Hitler personality was still loved and unconditionally supported by its own Source.

ELLEN: Ah. It's a matter of allowance, then.

KRIS: In that respect, yes.

MARK: It's funny, Ellen, because I was about to make a statement when you jumped in with your question, and I let you go first, but I was going to say that during the session I was heavily reminded of how Essence will give the focus the tools, the energy necessary to perceive and manifest what it is focusing upon, even if it is deemed negative by us. So I could be wallowing in misery and Essence will magnify and allow that to unfold.

ELLEN: And that's free will.

KRIS: Indeed, as a parent, regardless of what your child does, you will still hold that child in a loving embrace, correct?

ELLEN: (Laughing) Essence never gets exasperated?!?

KRIS: We never said that! (Group laughter) Why do you think we hang out at Sid's Cafe?

(Hearty group laughter)

ELLEN: I'll drink to that!

BRIAN: So Kris, even an expression like Adolf Hitler would come into this world....

ELLEN: With a loving Essence.

KRIS: Keep in mind there is a certain degree of difference between the Expression and the Essence. The individuality that you historically recognize as Hitler made its own choices and preferences in conjunction with a great collective endeavor. The Source is very different. It is not that the Essence would rather love Mahatma Gandhi than Hitler. That is simply your collective duplicity in action. Do you understand?

BRIAN: Yeah, absolutely. Thank you.

MARK: Another example might be that of an actor who has to play the role of a villain. The actor might be a loving, caring person, but it's a difficult choice to play that role.

KRIS: Are there other lovely questions, or do you prefer a short break?

ANYA: I have a question. During last conference call, Kris talked about Christ and how Christ used healing powers to heal people, and in my understanding he said that the healing power basically was the healing power of compassion. I'd like to know why. Why compassion is that power that really transforms -- at least this is my interpretation - [why compassion] is the power that is available for transformation? I may be off in my perception.

KRIS: Now firstly, we said that the miracles you read about in holy books and scriptures are allegorical. When it says that the sage or the saint or the avatar gave sight to the blind, gave hearing to the deaf, gave life to the dead, this is allegorical, symbolic. It MEANS that those who were spiritually blind were allowed to see, those who were spiritually deaf were allowed to hear, those who were spiritually dead, were given spiritual life because these individuals desired those transformations. And again this is allegorical. These things did not occur in PHYSICAL reality.

ANYA: Right, I understand that. My question I guess is why did I hear that you said it was the transforming power of compassion -- why compassion, instead of maybe JOY, or something else?

KRIS: Compassion then can encompass ALL of these states and it usually involves an unconditional state. It asks for nothing in return, not even a membership to the club! (Group chuckles) It does not require adherence to the cult. It does not require conversion to the religion, because that would FURTHER imprison and return the individual to a state of blindness and deafness and death.

That is why you all seek these types of knowledge, again because you have a deep understanding that these OLD teachings by themselves are PRISONS. By understanding what they mean can you draw your concentration away from the traditional interpretations and literal absolute truth that says that only OUR gang has the truth and all others are liars and frauds and therefore constitute evil; and only our gang is pure and knowledgeable and divinely inspired. Do you follow?

ANYA: Yes.

KRIS: (In the rolling thunder voice.) WE WOULD RATHER BE IN A BAR WITH KNAVES AND SCOUNDRELS, RAISING A GLASS OF BEER TO THE JOYS OF LIFE THAN TO BE SUBJUGATED TO SERVITUDE TO ANYONE'S GOD!!

ELLEN: Hear, hear.

KRIS: Now have a break!

(Break begins at 8:58)

BRIAN: So much for the twelve-step program! (Group laughter) I went up four rungs of the ladder and fell!

(Evelyn tells me she has to leave to get some studying in.)

MARK: Ellen, do you know that story I talked about when I just closed my eyes during the first part and I saw that large temple/castle and I heard the sound, felt it and saw it reverberate...

ELLEN: Absolutely.

MARK: The second part of that was duplicity...it was the house of flesh that I call "Mark", but it was also the house of Self that Essence and Source -- it was the WHOLE Self -- so those words reverberated through ALL of me.

ELLEN: (Pausing to absorb) That is very cool.

MARK: Yeah, I think so.

ELLEN: (As Mark's word sink in even more.) That is VERY cool! (Laughs) I'm going to enjoy transcribing this....You know I'm sorry Emmy's not here tonight, because I love how he spoke about how compassion begins with Self and Emmy and I were just discussing that ad nauseum on New World View on my forum.

MARK: Yeah, I agree.

ELLEN: I think that comes right out of his parable from the last time and how we just don't seem to believe that our own selves deserve the best in life that we can get -- of health, of comfort, of joy -- whatever comfort and joy means to each person -- we have to start with ourselves.

MARK: If you can't express it outwardly, how can you express it inwardly?

ELLEN: Exactly. (To Cathy sotto voce.) Did Evelyn just walk out?

[I discover that Evelyn has gone while I was talking to Mark. Cathy saw her out and I get up and run to see if I can catch her to say goodbye. Bad hostess! Bad!]

MARK: I don't know if Serge is going --

BRIAN: (Interrupting) Ellen just left the building for a minute.

ELLEN: (Coming back in) Evelyn left while we were talking. I didn't even get a chance to say goodbye.

(A number of people shout out plaintively: "Bye, Ev! Goodbye!" Everyone laughs)

BRIAN: She can't hear you but she'll read it on the transcript! You know what came to me, Paul is -- enlightenment is the truth of self -- and I think Kris expounded on that. Your take on that?

PAUL: Um, you know, different definitions -- enlightenment for a focus is opening to non-dual. If you want to define that as Truth with a capital 'T' then I'm down with that as a universal absolute in every quadrant, regional area, level, framework, whatever.

BRIAN: Right, but there are no absolutes.

MARK: No, there's not because for instance, you could have a housewife with six kids in suburbia USA who's enlightened, and you have a monk on a mountain in Tibet, sworn to celibacy, maybe even silence -- both of them can be enlightened beings, but obviously they are going to express it and experience it extremely differently.

BRIAN: It's a case of individuality.

PAUL: Kris has made the point a couple of times that the enlightened focus as we know it, is still interpreting the world of form, the world of duality, through its cultural belief systems, and if you throw in Elias' ten belief systems, which is what our worldviews consist of -- and the blueprints -- those worldviews are colorant enlightened experience. So it's kind of neat, what he said tonight on the record is very consonant with what I understand at least in intellectual terms.

And I want to also mention Ken Wilber's “One Taste” to anybody interested in Wilber's more poetic, less academic -- it has academic parts in it -- but there's some extremely beautiful stuff -- and in fact, on New World View, Rob posted....uh, I forget the topic, it was a few days back and a thousand thoughts ago....but he posted a long excerpt from Wilber's “One Taste” that resonated to quite a few people who disagreed with some little nit on Kris or some little nit on Elias or whatever -- and it just struck me, so I wanted to mention to anyone in this conversation who wants to follow up and do some reading about someone who has given it a lot of thought and is a very special person, I believe, in this area who has something important to say.

That is a book, called “One Taste” again, by Ken Wilber, that's just full of stuff like that. And if you're seriously interested in following that up, too, there's a book that's a compilation of what I call poetry -- it's not like Jane Robert's poetry -- it's his mystical, uh, his version of "rolling thunder," shall we say. It's called “The Simple Feeling of Being”, and it's extremely beautiful and it ties into Kris' riffs on enlightenment and compassion and it builds...it's complimentary, is what I'm trying to say.

ELLEN: And that was by who? That second one?

PAUL: Ken Wilber.

ELLEN: Oh, that was also Wilber?

PAUL: Yeah, they're both Wilber books and “The Simple Feeling of Being” is very accessible, no endnotes -- compilation by his students -- so it's just excerpts from the different books, kind of like a digest of Elias that I've done, more like that, and it's just quite beautiful stuff.

ELLEN: Okay. He's done a lot more books than you ordinarily find, even at my bookstore (at Barnes & Noble Books). There's a lot more titles that he's got out there than I've seen [at any major bookstore chains]. I've never heard of those two titles.

PAUL: There are 18 to 23, depending on how you count them, and he had his collected works published three or four years ago, and he's only 56, he'll be 57 this month. Some of them are no longer -- actually they'll be coming out again, Shambala Press -- it's a Buddhist organization, who has supported Ken for decades and published his work.

ELLEN: So a lot of these, you have to look online for, I think?

PAUL: Oh yeah. Absolutely. You can get them at Pal's and the used bookstores and whatnot, but they're coming out with new editions of all of them.

ELLEN: It's good to know this, because, like I said, a lot of the big bookstore chains don't carry even a lot of the Seth books anymore.

PAUL: Yeah, you're down to one or two Seth books if you're lucky, and with Wilber you're lucky if there are two or three Wilber books.

ELLEN: Yeah, so people need to know where to find them.

PAUL: Shambala Press and Ken has his own website, too.

MARK: (As Kris returns) It's time!

(Kris returns at 9:04)

KRIS: Now, are there other lovely questions?

GAIL: Hi Kris, this is Gail. I have a question about last night in my sleep state, viewing the color purple. Can you tell me what that represented?

KRIS: What impressions do you gather from this experience?

GAIL: I view it as more of an opening intellectually to a spiritual affirmation for myself.

KRIS: (Pause) Now this is the remnant of a deeper experience that you interpreted on the bridge between these deep sleep states towards the waking states of consciousness. Along the way you left out many experiences.

GAIL: Yeah, I can feel that.

KRIS: But, in your deeper states of that dream, you met up with other aspects of Essence in the search for nurturing. At this point in your life there is a deep need for nurturing. There is a need to feel supported, to feel uplifted and even secure in your exploration and this is what you went to get. You may not recall those deeper states of the dream experience, but they involved those deeper layers of Essence that you still communicate with on the way back to your waking perceptions.

You eventually forgot the finer details of those meetings because they may not have any equivalents in your terms, in your language, in your own definitions. But the color purple did carry significance, so you utilized it as a flag to contain some of those deep experiences for yourself; encapsulated, encoded within that color. Does that make sense to you?

GAIL: Yes, it does, and I also wanted to know if that correlates to the colors that I was experiencing of the yellow-green and the white that was expanding -- contracting and expanding -- within that.

KRIS: These are also remnants of communications that you have saved in a manner that is significant to you.

GAIL: Okay, thank you. I appreciate that.

MARK: Anybody else?

(Long pause)

KRIS: You are all too quiet. Rosalie! Where is your question?

JO: Where's my question? You tell me! I have a lot of questions but none are coming to mind at the moment. I'm just very interested in everything that I'm hearing.

KRIS: We believe that approximately three or four days or nights ago you had a deep dream experience, no less than one week past; a deep dream experience that you may not completely recall but it left a powerful impression upon you. Does this ring any bells?

JO: Yes....I'm not recalling the imagery at the moment, but I have a feeling tone of it that I'm remembering.

KRIS: Exactly.

JO: Can you provide me some insights?

KRIS: It had to do with an ancient focus of yours that you are familiar with, and our progeny and ourselves.

JO: Your progeny and mine? Together?

KRIS: The progeny of that focus and our Self [ELLEN'S NOTE: usually Kris says "ourselves" when referring to himself but I am positive he used the word "self" in the singular. I just wanted to make a note of that here]. Do you know of which focus we speak of? An ancient focus in old Britannia.

JO: Yes. Yeah, it's coming back to me.

KRIS: We mentioned some time back about the progeny of that focus.

JO: Yes. Jessaline! Jessaline who left Judea and went to Londinium.

KRIS: Indeed.

JO: Thank you.

KRIS: You will find, we believe, in a transcript soon to be --

ELLEN: Uh-oh!

KRIS: -- some information along those lines.

ELLEN: Are you speaking of the last Toronto session?

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLEN: (Laughing)

MARK: Hildegard.

ELLEN: You'll see that one pretty soon.

MARK: Hildegard von Bingen.

ELLEN: Yeah, Hildegard. (The connections start to all come together) Oh, I'm flipping out! (Laughing loudly) Oh no! Mark, are you flipping out?

MARK: No.

ELLEN: (Mark's response makes me laugh even louder)

PAUL: Anybody want to share the insight?

JO: Yeah! Do share!

ELLEN: At the last Toronto session, which I just finished transcribing and sent to Mark, Kris spoke of Serge having a focus of....um... [Someone] whose progeny was Hildegard von Bingen -- and this focus went from Israel to Britannia (I'm piecing this together from my memory of the transcription)...uh...so... (Laughing again) I'm assuming that he's saying that Jo...was...that focus.....Is that right, Mark? Do I have that right?

MARK: I don't believe so.

ELLEN: (Unbelieving) I DON'T have it right?

MARK: No, I believe that the focus of Hildegard von Bingen is a co-creation so to speak between Kris and Joseph...

ELLEN: Yeah...but Kris also said --

MARK: -- and [you're saying] Rosalie would have mothered....that focus? Am I correct?

ELLEN: Not mothered, but in that line....because he said that there was a focus way back who began in Israel and went to Britannia and joined the Druids, and from there she begat a line -- of progeny he called it -- that eventually Hildegard came from.

MARK: Right...so....hang on... (Turning to Kris for confirmation)

KRIS: That IS more appropriate to what we said. Does that make sense to you now, Rosalie?

JO: Yes, very much. Thank you for that and also involved in that line was the historical woman who mythologically became the "Lady of the Lake."

[Comments among the group of "Wow" and "Really?!"]

KRIS: Now, do not expect us to call you "Granny."

(Riotous group laughter)

BRIAN: Hey, Grandma!

JO: Thank you for that. I appreciate that very much.

ELLEN: She appreciates it! (Group laughter.) I'm just totally cracking up over the wackiness of all these interrelationships that are coming out in these sessions)

JO: (Laughing) Not the granny part so much, but everything else was wonderful. Thanks.

ELLEN: Oh, god, I'm flipping out.

BRIAN: Can't wait to read this one, huh?

KRIS: Now then, we thank you for your lovely consideration and we urge you to shake the very foundation of your beliefs so that your mental house of cards can be transformed and that your lives are understood to be a living testament to the joy and compassion that is within your hearts. And may your dreams be as filled with wonder as you are.

ALL: Thank you, Kris;

(Session ends at 9:19 PM)


Detailed Roll Call: In Toronto: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), Michelle

Castaic, California: Paul (Janaki), Jo (Rosalie), Gail (Sophia), Carl

Wilmington, Delaware: Ellen (Kwaa'Ji), Cathy (Segova), Brian (Enzo), Evelyn

Hawaii: Tom (Desire)

Oregon: Lisa

Utah: Anya

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