Roll Call in Toronto: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), Myrna (Sharaleene)

Roll Call in Castaic: Paul H. (Janaki), Jo (Rosalie), Jim (Jericho), Paul T. (Antolian), Ester (Benata)

Roll Call in Oregon: Norm (Ambrose), Reta (Leihuu)

(Sessions begins at 7:53.)

KRIS: Indeed we are thankful for your consideration and welcome one and all.

ALL: Hi Kris. Hello.

KRIS: (Pause) Indeed you are celebrating the Spring Equinox. This is a high time of year, a time where all people could find the opportunity to lay down their differences and their arms or weapons and instead take into consideration practices that have come down through the times and the histories in recognition of the cycles of death and rebirth, practices that are indeed as ancient as the setting and the rising of the sun itself.

Such practices, regardless of the geographical area or the nationality or the ethnic background, have actually been a healing salve in ancient cultures and societies because it brought to the everyday individual the notion that nature and the Universe work in cycles and that the end of a cycle actually signals the beginning of a new one. And these cycles follow the paths of the celestial bodies, the Moon, the Sun, other planetary bodies, other Solar Systems even.

At a time when your own planet hosted not two but three different moons, these practices have even more of an impactful significance because the lunar cycles predominated over the solar cycles in their richness of pageantry and the lives of the people, the solar cycles acting as an over-extension of the principles of night and day and the seeds and the crops. And the significances of the rituals and the performances were indeed far different when there were three moons in your orbit.

There came a time when you only had two moons, which occasioned a reassessment of the significances of the rituals and the practices in line with the lunar and the solar cycles and the sowing of the crops and the harvesting of those crops. And there came a time when you only had one moon as it stands today, and this also occasioned a great deal of change in the manner in which human beings related to the heavenly representations of the Divine forms what anciently would have been called 'the male and female divine forms.'

And as your solar system continues to navigate and orbit other solar systems in your specific area of the galaxy, the Milky Way, and as they Milky Way orbits around other galaxies in this part of the universe as you know it, and as these groupings of galaxies navigate and orbit around other entire sections of galaxies, your journey across the dimensions of time and space continues to unfold. And the manner in which you celebrate the Equinoxes and specifically the Spring Equinox has held a paramount place in all of the ancient cultures and civilizations of your world.

Only in your present variety of civilization have you relegated these ancient practices to the realm of the superstitious. Only in this unique exploration of a probably timeline are you trying, experimenting with the notion that perhaps you truly have no roots and no ancestry that connects you to the entire framework of physical nature and therefore of your own spiritual heritage, a heritage that is as old as the stars that sing their song to you. But you have forgotten what kind of CD player you need to listen to the stars. This is the consciousness CD player and not compact disc. Do you follow?

ALL: Yes.

KRIS: So indeed you are part of a most ancient heritage, older than the very bones that you find deep inside the earth, older than the dust that comes from the stars, and yet forever newly created in the light of your imagination.

For the time being suffice it to say that in the near future we may expound upon this to great lengths because this is part of the Tantra of All That Is. It is a part of the eternal Gnosis of being. And especially in your North American western civilization, many of your ancient roots and heritages have been forgotten, considered as sometimes little more than the echoes of ancient whispers in the halls of time and memory.

But all you need to do then is to welcome some of these ancient practices that can definitely help you reconnect with the dance of creation, for the dance of creation is also the dance of annihilation, the dance of Shiva. That is the Tantra of All That Is, the Tantra of the Universe, that a star is born of your essence whilst another sleeps for a million years and another awakens and all of life as you know it is transformed, is annihilated only to be born again.

And this is also the time in the Judeo-Christian world for renewal, for death and resurrections. And this is what this means that you die to your old images, to all the notions of yourselves and you are born again as the stars are born, as the sun rises, as the seed is sown and the roots take place. So it is a ritual representation of ancient practices, as ancient as the Universe could possibly be because that is also its Tantra.

So at some future time we may speak more deeply of practices that are incorporated and can be added to your lovely human lives to help you keep in touch with the ancient mysteries of your being such as the rising of the sun on the morning of the Equinox on high and the renewal of life and how your lives actually have not been poisoned or removed from these ancient heritages, that you have simply looked elsewhere to complete and fulfill your lives, but with temporary measures, whilst right at your fingertips in the very recesses of your minds exists realms where you have never been out of touch with the ancient mysteries of your being, which is also the nature of the ancient mysteries of the physical world, of material nature, of the rajas of the creation and annihilation of all things, because all things are illusions, including the illusions themselves.

That is the sweetest of mysteries as spoken by many ancients before us, many other melodious voices even before ours was ever conceived of and will continue even when your voices become the melodious songs that sing and reverberate through the Universe. And thus time and space will come and go and none of it will have left and none of it will remain simultaneously.

Now then we do not wish to get any more Zen than that. (Laughter) And in that space where all things make sense because nothing makes sense, you may have yourselves a Zen-like break, which may mean it will not last. (Laughter)

(Break begins at 8:13.)

Paul H. asked if Kris had given specific dates as to when in the historical past the Earth had three moons and then two and what was the cause of their destruction?

Mark replied that he had only ever heard Kris talk about two moons but never three.

Everyone really enjoyed Kris' poetic way of presenting the information on the Tantra of All That Is, and Myrna was eager to hear further about the ancient mysteries.

People mentioned that they felt very expanded.

Mark mentioned that the second moon was destroyed by a collision with an asteroid and part of it fell to earth and became the land that formed the Gulf of Mexico. It was questioned as to if that was what caused the demise of the dinosaurs, which occurred in our accepted scientific theory approximately 65 million years ago. Mark said that it was related.

Mark also mentioned that Kris has said dinosaurs are in our future as well.

Paul H. discussed how this would be possible. Given that dinosaurs are part of the blueprint of this reality, whenever the conditions are such that those life forms would be sustainable, then they will reappear. He also mentioned that Elias has said that there are still prehistoric woolly mammoths alive in remote areas of Iceland.

Myrna wanted to ask Kris why it is that certain areas of the world are in touch with their ancient roots while others are not, despite the fact that there are people like herself that have longed for some time to be in touch with the ancient mysteries of their own ancestors.

It was agreed that the key is not so much to find out why we took that path of forgetting but rather how do we can regain those roots that we have lost.

(Kris returns at 8:20)

KRIS: This is an interesting question and we are not certain that a truly in depth answer that does the subject matter any justice can be arrived at in only a few moments. But suffice it to say that many of the ancient cultures on your planet and many of their remnants still have an understanding that your modern world has not grokked yet, and that is that your spirituality and your sexuality are divine expressions of one and the same dance.

You have instead substituted this deep bond with the flow of natural energies with such things as commercialism, business ventures, law suits, McDonald's (Laughter) and a host of other modern amenities as a substitute to try and fulfill the deeper needs of your soul, soul as in physical flesh and bone soul, a soul that also has genitalia, that has needs and desires. And you have instead tried to substitute those animal cravings for what you believe is a higher calling such as religions that deny you your sexual spirituality as a supposed higher aim for your existence.

And as a result of many of these and other factors that you have developed a schism within the human psyche where you must try to convince yourself or yourselves that your sexual nature, your loving nature, can only find expression in some contexts and not others. And indeed you become burdened with far too many taboos about your sexual natures to the point where you actually need to buy Viagra in the amounts of billions of dollars a year, as if a small blue pill will soothe your deep sexual souls.

And you therefore invent many different psychoses and neuroses as a means to try and extrapolate polarities because the proper natural polarity of your sexual spirituality cannot find its expression in your bodies and you therefore act as if this natural state of creature hood is damnable and must then be avoided.

Thus you also invent a society of denialism where your marriages are in trouble, where your ancient institutions of family structures are rapidly disintegrating because you do not recognize the spiritual sexuality of your diverse selves, both in singular and collective individuals. Thus you set up camps and you behave as if those of you who are in one camp are the righteous and anyone on the other side of the fence is damnable. And such groups have the unmitigated gall to use the Divine as justification. But all it shows is that your neuroses and collective psychoses are deeply troubling.

You have no unification and no unifying rituals. No principles and practices that bring home to your heart that as divine beings you are both sexually and spiritually active, and that these principles now appear to you in your collective psyches as warring factions. Whilst in reality you have caused the schisms in the first place by denying your ancestries and the ancient customs and practices that actually provided you with many safeguards and brought you a certain degree of wholeness and fulfillment.

Thus the heterosexual male that is overflowing with testosterone thinks the only good kind of male is one that should kill homosexuals. And you have the same with females who cannot reconcile their own bi-sexual nature just as some men cannot reconcile their bi-sexual nature.

In many, many ancient cultures all genders, all orientations had a degree of respect and a place of function within that social structures, but your North American culture believes that all such notions have no place in the modern world and you believe also that holding such views is a superior perspective. But such perceptions are misleading indeed.

When the sighted, those that have eyes, think that by becoming blind they become enlightened.....(pause) It is when the blind regain their sight that your societies can begin to function as a whole, when you stop as a society, when you stop treating your elders like something that is now too used to be of any value, when you stop and you begin to apply some principles and practices such as what Elias has expounded upon for some years now, what you Janaki refer to as NIRAA, and what we also have of late described with Triple A's.

These actions, these rajas, also extend into the singular and collective consciousness and can impart significant change of direction by the mere fact that you recognize what you have lost and what you can regain in a new fashion. That is the purpose of this dance, this Tantra of reality.

So there are many ancient customs and practices that we would like at some point in the near future to spend time on in describing and participating with you in the process to awaken this dormant fulfillment that is within you and help you see that Tide is the only thing that cleanses as well. This is a different kind of penicillin. It is penicillin of the soul and it does not cause side effects, at least not in a negative sense. It does have side effects but these side effects actually help you heal.

Now you try finding a modern medicine that claims that its side effects help you heal. That is our humorous medicine for the time being. (Laughter)

So enjoy another non-break. (Laughter)

(Break begins at 8:35)

Paul H. further talked about Kris' Triple A (Acknowledge, Address, Accept) practice which was first presented recently at Ellen Gilbert's group phone session and how that corresponds to Elias' NIRAA (Notice, Identify, Recognize, Address, Accept), which he believes is a foundational aspect of Elias' work, this idea of acceptance of self.

This Triple ‘A’ method is what Kris calls a raja, an action, a process.

Myrna wants to ask about the deepening of 'knowing' and the various pagan women's groups she has been involved with. She feels that she will somehow be involved in this deepening of knowing in a way that is not just for women. She believes that there is something important to the 'getting out into nature', perhaps at night under the moon, that seems to have facilitated an opening within herself. Jo also is delving into this particular work.

Myrna has a sense of herself as a 'guardian of the temple' and that she feels there is something for both men and women in these ancient practices, and Paul H. said he believes it will be a way of healing the split in this modern era, particularly in the area of sexuality and the perversions and atrocities that are perpetrated because of the repression of this powerful fundamental aspect of human beings.

He also mentioned about the recent murder of the 9 year old girl by the non-registered sex offender which has been in the news.

(Kris returns at 8:42)

KRIS: Because of the very nature of incidences such as the sexual murder of this young child and many others that make their way to the public and world news media should immediately alert individuals that their own private distortions on sexual beliefs are reaching critical mass. This is a public statement about the individual views on sexuality and the apparent sexual monsters that hide in the mind, waiting for any opportunity to take and abuse.

And there are of course dozens if not hundreds of variations of perversions on beliefs about sexuality that are at play here.

You also have a large displacement of psychic energy about very plain and simple human sexuality in many of groups of the Religious Right in your North American culture. And these views are at least borderline schizophrenic if not outright schizophrenic concerning healthy human sexual values. There are large amounts of funds beings funneled into specific groups. The Religious Right speak of for instance a 'hidden gay agenda', never themselves disclosing their own agenda to eliminate anyone and everything not of their mindset. This has been done before. You have referred to it as the Grand Inquisition.

There is a likelihood that in your so-called very open, very modern North American culture that this will take another birth and another dark age, has the potential to take root in your societies because you think your society is very open-minded and you do not see when the sharks swim underneath you. The more you can apply yourselves to heal those divergent sets of beliefs and bring them together as a unified fulfillment, the more you actually can heal your societies because the individual IS the society and society IS an individual.

When a culture such as your North American world opens its heart and learns the true meaning and value of loving fulfillment, then you can actually enjoy a higher degree of both spiritual and sexual fulfillment because it is no longer seen as an aberration but a part of the Tantra of being. One specific interpretation of Tantra is to bring together, to weave together as a whole. In other words, Acknowledge, Address, Accept. That is a Tantra.

Now then, if you will kindly permit us we will get off our Tantra soapbox. (Laughter)

And feel free to ask questions.

PAUL H: Kris, this is Janaki and I just wanted to ask a follow up question about your reference to three moons during some part of the Earth's history and then two moons. During break Mark mentioned that he was only aware of a mention of a second moon. And I was just wondering if you could provide a general timeframe for the third moon and its destruction and the second moon and its destruction.

KRIS: Indeed. The second moon met a very crumbly end prior to approximately 65 million odd years into your past in that term. And it is an approximation. There were unfortunately no satellite systems in place to check for the veracity of the time. Do you follow?

PAUL H: Yes indeed. That was a catastrophic celestial event then. Is that part of what changed the ecosystem of the planet toward the extinction of the dinosaurs as we know them?

KRIS: It is one of the contributing factors. This event sent shockwaves and monster tsunamis around the world. Many dinosaurs, entire groups of them, were washed by these monster tsunamis and they ended up in completely different parts of the continent, many of them buried in gigantic graves, so to speak. Do you follow?

ALL: Yes.

JO: It sounds like the Great Flood.

KRIS: There have been many such floods. The floods that appear in many of your sacred writings are a collection of many ancient memories, some in the recent past and some from centuries and millennia before.

The third moon was a satellite from another planet that existed where there is none now, we believe between the Earth and Venus that also met a cataclysmic end to its celestial lifespan. And its satellite, jolted by the breaking apart of the planet in question, was drawn into the gravitational field of the Earth and was magnetically balanced by your present moon and the second moon.

This event is at least possibly 500 million years into the past as you understand time. And its destruction was the result of a war that had participants on Earth, on Mars, on Venus and on this other planet.

PAUL H: So there was a four-way, inter-solar system war?

KRIS: Indeed.

PAUL H: That resulted in the destruction of this planet between Earth and Venus.

KRIS: Indeed, nearly destroyed the planet you call Mars, though much life on it was eliminated. This war was done through weapons of mantra-destruction. Saddam's weapons pale in comparison. Many of the weapons of nuclear destruction on your planet pale in comparison to the power unleashed through the use of sound mantras as practiced in the ancient Vedic culture in the Rama civilization.

PAUL H: And was that Rama civilization then seeded on those four planets?

KRIS: They were colonies.

PAUL H: Which was the originating planet?

KRIS: (Pause) The originating planet does not exist in Framework 1. (Everyone cracks up)

PAUL H: Well, I asked! I asked, didn't I?

JIM: Something inter-dimensional.

KRIS: Indeed.

JIM: Through sound.

KRIS: Indeed. (Laughter)

PAUL T: Kris, this is Antolian.

(Kris continues with his previous thought.)

KRIS: These sounds are remembered in the ancient Bhagavat Gita, part of the Mahabharata of the ancient Vedic scriptural writings. Some of these descriptions are recognized as being at least four thousand years old, and if you compared them, the descriptions, to a modern nuclear explosion and subsequent mushroom cloud, you would find that somehow or other time has been displaced because the four thousand year old descriptions were only recognized for what they are in 1945. Do you follow?

PAUL H: Are you referring to the Philadelphia Experiment?

KRIS: Nuclear explosions. Prior to such tests, the descriptions in the Bhagavat Gita were considered to be no more than the flight of fancy. It was a rude awakening when the scientists that created the atom bomb realized that they had the potential to recreate history, the potential to destroy everything.

Does that make sense to you?

PAUL H: Yes and no. These endless cycles of knowledge, wisdom and self destruction, as you opened the session with too, it just ties in with that.

KRIS: Indeed, on the one hand such cycles are entirely natural to the foundational belief structures in your system of reality. In others there is no need to explore those cycles. That is part of the agreement when you come here as expressions of essence.

PAUL H: That makes sense. And just one more question Kris about this originating planet that was inter-dimensional. Would you just care to clarify what that is in relation to this now?

KRIS: (Pause) This planet exists in a plane that physically situated would exist between (pause) Saturn and Mars.

PAUL H: Would it be on Level Two? You know, the mind tries to grasp it, the reality of this thing. How would you distinguish between Level One and Level Two in description of this planet? You mentioned the word 'plane.'

KRIS: Indeed, that particular celestial body did have a physical presence or counterpart in your physical terms, but there was at one point in time an agreement to take it out of this physical picture. The planet was called Rokar in ancient societies. There was a collective agreement to shift it into another plane altogether and try to recreate a different understanding of the paradigms of foundational belief structures within this reality.

The risk of maintaining this planet in its physical orbit seemed too great. It was collectively agree to shift it. Other layers of reality engage with it, but it is not influential in your terms any longer within your belief systems.

PAUL H: This action, this agreement was collectively done then to obviously make a big change in what remains here.

KRIS: Indeed, you can consider it then in simpler words. It became a probability. It disappeared from your reality but in its appearance only because nothing can truly be destroyed.

PAUL H: I can grok that in terms of essence maintaining its essence focus, and even then the focuses on that planet somehow shifting probabilities in some way involving some kind of forgetting, I'm imagining, or repression barrier. I don't know what all. But the other focuses on the remaining planets, there must be memory, ancient memory. It's just that the scale you are describing creation on is a little big right now.

KRIS: And in many ancient writings and myths there are for instance, there is described a great warrior in the ancient Vedic writings, especially the Rama civilization, an ancient evil king, a ruler of immense power described as Rabhana. His city was located according to legends on the subcontinent of Sri Lanka. These are tales trying to recount even more ancient memories and myths from that particular segment of long ago human history.

PAUL H: And you're saying that human history is at least 500 million years old then?

KRIS: Even older.

PAUL H: (Laughs) Well, 500 million is a nice stretch compared to what our conventional scientists believe.

JO: And in terms of calendars, since we're on the topic, there's a theory called The Great Year that maps the calendar according to our solar system's traverse around another sun. Is that accurate?

KRIS: (Pause) We will simply say that the next five years should be an interesting time for astronomers.

JO: They're going to discover this revolution, this path around this other sun, it sounds like.

KRIS: Indeed. Now what is the time?

MARK: 9:08

KRIS: Perhaps we can have a small Equinox break and get back to letting you enjoy your living.

(Break begins at 9:09)

There was some discussion about the way that many sources also agree with Kris that human history is much older than we imagine.

Serge and Mark were asked for more information concerning the second moon that Kris talked about. Mark said that the information was given originally on a walk back a couple of years ago. Kris did talk about Mars at that time and how its civilization was destroyed and also about the planet that was between us and Venus and was destroyed and the debris is now what we know as the Asteroid Belt.

There was some discussion about why the one planet that Kris talked about was 'disappeared' from this reality and became simply a probability in another dimension. Paul H. wondered if it could be called 'punishment', but Mark said Kris had explained that because we had already engaged in this 'experiment', it was not necessary for us to go through it again and so this planet was 'removed' from this reality so that there was only one occupied planet in this solar system, thereby preventing inter-planetary war in the future, as we know it.

There was a question from Norm about this inter-dimensional planet that Kris mentioned. Mark said that Elias has said that the ancient Vedic civilization never really existed, and Kris has explained that this civilization did not exist in Regional Area 1 and Mark wondered if the Vedic culture actually existed on this other planet. And Paul commented that Elias has said that Regional Area 1 is much vaster than we realize and that individuals have 'subtle bodies'.

Elias has also said that his perception is that Atlantis is in a different dimension. Mark commented that Kris says that the myth of Atlantis is actually the combination of three different stories. One of the stories was the battle on Mars. The Atlantean myth of the incredible power source is actually in our future. There was also a third story pertaining to the Canary Islands which was incorporated into this myth.

There was also brief discussion about the moon which fell to earth 65 million years ago and the devastation which resulted.

(Kris returns at 9:18)

KRIS: Now then. If your minds have recovered from being boggled perhaps you can think up a question or two.

PAUL T: Kris, this is Antolian.

KRIS: Indeed.

PAUL T: There is a Cassini spacecraft which has been investigating Saturn and its moons. One of the moons which is extraordinarily interesting, at least to me, is Iapetus. There is a fellow who has theory about this planet, or excuse me, about this satellite of Saturn, that it is irregularly shaped and may even be faceted. He speculates that it may be a constructed moon and gives some theories behind about what it might be constructed of. My impression is that perhaps this is associated with that war.

KRIS: Who is the individual?

PAUL T: Oh boy.

KRIS: Is it perhaps Zechariah Sitchin?

PAUL T: Yeah, it could be. It's just a fellow who has a web page. I can't remember the name.

KRIS: Many of the newly discovered moons in the outer reaches of these big planets have found there way there as a result of losing their orbit. Some have sustained damage. Many are not native to their present orbit, so they have a history of traveling. But we can assure you that none of them are used as an observatory to keep an eye out on you guys. (Laughter)

Many of such celestial satellites (pause) can even be considered wayward and some will continue on their way in many generations from now. There are some moons that appear in your system for what they are, but they are not. They are entities or at least source from entities; other kinds of projections of essences as even are some planets. In general all such forms are projections of essence, but there are different qualities involved, just as many of the stars that you see twinkling in the night sky are representative of your own essential forms.

We hope that this is sufficient for an answer. (Laughter)

PAUL T: Of course, it raises more questions than it answers.

KRIS: Indeed. We never claim to solve anything by answering you.

Now what is the time?

MARK: 9:24

KRIS: Then indeed, we will take leave of your beautiful lovely celestial bodies and may the eternal love that burns deeply in the very cells of your being, may these flames of love always heal the self. And may you have sweet dreams, regardless of what planet you dream of.

ALL: Thank you!

(Session ends at 9:24.)