Roll call: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), Lida (Miriam), Alex (Darrolid), John (Sohars) and Myrna (Sharaleene)

(Session begins at 7:55 pm.)

KRIS: Indeed the caption "Resistance is Futile: You Will be Loved" could easily fit. And this is important because this is the prime misunderstanding in your society that somehow or other love is not to be trusted and therefore must be feared to one degree or another. And even those individuals who make it their mission in life to run through the country claiming to love everything and everyone but not themselves have misunderstood.

As we suggested, love is not something that you acquire like so much merchandise off the supermarket shelves. It is not something you bargain for. It is something that is innate to human nature. And we know that this statement may be considered outrageous because of the deeply ingrained social conditions that man's true innate nature is to kill, destroy, maim, rape, pillage. But that is the lie and the result of fear of love and loving and being loved, in other words the fear of being assimilated by your own nature.

Thus it is important to actually get an understanding of the innate goodness and love that resides within the human heart. And indeed when you see phenomenon like the factory workers or the chicken farms or any other mistreatment of animals or infants or human beings, partners abusing each other, nations assaulting each other, family members killing each other, one country waging war and wholesale slaughter against your neighbor, you look at these things and you nod your head in agreement, 'yes, here is a clear and irrefutable evidence that Man, Humankind, is nothing but cruelty in its collective heart.'

And then there is further agreement that some divine forces should come and clean up the family tree and trim it of all homosapiens. And such thoughts and perceptions are taken as fact because there is apparent evidence. And many if not most people rarely take the time to investigate why these things are happening. Is it merely beliefs in duplicity? Or is it beliefs in good and evil? Or is it political rambling and gain by greed?

All of these appear to be factors indeed, but the greatest misunderstanding, indeed the greatest sin of all is that you have been given a lie, and that lie is that the human heart is filled with shame and iniquity and is therefore flawed. And of course then out of this quagmire the human individual can do nothing else but destroy the Earth and each other.

And yet there is indeed a solution, a SIMPLE solution to such lies that those in positions of knowing swallow their damn pride and reveal the truth that the human heart, the human individual is born into the world already filled with loving capacities that merely need to be nurtured as opposed to the deceitful belief that the human individual comes into the world tainted, soiled, and must be restrained to keep the evil within his or her heart locked up lest it destroy the world.

And everywhere you look you can see the evidence reflected back to you according to what you accept to believe about your human nature, and that is the key. You do not see war, destruction, wholesale slaughter because it is man's innate nature. You see it because this is what you believe.

Now, accept to RELEASE such beliefs and replace them with the conviction that your fragile human nature knows only of a boundless, fearless and heroic loving state of grace and love and IMAGINE what you will then see reflected as evidence of your convictions.

Now it is one thing to imagine this and it is one thing to hear this from our inimitable, controversial lips, but to understand the delicious implications can indeed turn your world around. And one of the second most lies attributed to the nature of human individuals is that your very creature hood, your very sexual nature must also be controlled because it is dangerous and it cannot not lead you to redeem your tainted or soiled selves or souls and must therefore be diametrically opposed to your spiritual quest for salvation, which is another bad bill of goods being pushed your way. They are all interwoven.

And this the greatest disservice to your race is the lie disguised as spiritual truth that your loving nature and your sexual nature are incompatible. They are instead quite compatible and a loving expression of each other. And though there are certain philosophies that teach that the way to redeem yourselves is to literally stamp out your desiring nature and your sexual nature. Though there are such philosophies, we do not know if you have ever heard of them, but there are.

Such philosophies eventually end up causing far more psychological damage to the adept or disciple because you are attempting, such philosophies are attempting to convince you that your own innate nature is filled with dangers, is filled with evils, and may very well lead you to damnation. It literally creates a form of psychic schizophrenia.

Before such philosophies were enforced and before your ancestors were enjoined, often by force to subscribe to such convictions, there were perceptions, there were philosophical schools and systems from very ancient age and times where humankind was not ashamed of its creature hood, of its sexuality, nor of its spirituality, and there was no need to separate the two.

Now it is often assumed that if that were the case then obviously people must have been fornicating at every street corner. How could legitimate business be carried on with everyone fornicating everywhere? (Laughter) But that only shows a disparaging paradigm in the thinker's own belief structures and nothing more. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Once a society understands the proper principles of action by a loving sexual spirituality or a loving spiritual sexuality, then you have a society that is no longer in need to create schizophrenic paradigms at the collective level. You do not need Victorianism or any other related attitudes such as you often have in many governments around the world where it is permissible to kill, maim, steal, rob, but do not dare have a sexual indiscretion of any kind because that is unacceptable because it is acceptable to everything else.

So when you have a society that seeks to instill a stronger moral code, then you know that society is in deeper trouble than assumed, when factions of such societies insist that moral standings must prevail. In other words, the appearances must be uppermost and the animal nature of your being must be suppressed, then you are in deep trouble. When the so called religious rights of any sect and cult, whether it is a backyard cult or a global cult, whether it is disguised in the form of Christianity, Judaism or any other cult, Muslim, Jaïn or anything else, then you have distortions about your human nature that seek to be prevalent, and your true nature is to be buried.

You do not have to search far and wide for the reasons why your societies can be in the mess that they are and this is part of the truth wave in the shift of consciousness, the collective realization that there is not a damned thing wrong with your souls or spirits, there is something wrong with those who try to sell you that lie. And ultimately they can only sell you what you want to be sold. So this created a loop, does it not?

But the more that you awaken to the love and the light and the sexual expressions within your being, the more aware, awake and realized you become. That is the meaning of enlightenment. It has nothing to do with sitting on the top of a mountain contemplating the lint in your naval. (Laughter) That is not enlightenment. Those who may claim that they are enlightened because they have eschewed [shunned] their human nature have not embraced their human nature. They cannot embrace your human nature and do not know the wherewithal of what they speaketh.

When love becomes the primal force, and we are not talking of the love that again certain cults and sects would like to promote such as the apparent love of a deity that allowed its own child to be murdered as warranted in any respect, we are speaking about an actual love that can only come from an understanding of your own human nature, loving that human nature and being able to see that same loving nature within another because the other again is you.

How can anyone stand at the pulpit and claim to LOVE ALL except them [pointing in different directions] and except them and not them? That is another distortion. You cannot claim in the same breath to love the Divine or all that is divine and hate physical expressions of the Divine. Does that not make sense?

(Yes)

And how can you love others, seeing them through the eyes of the Divine? By accepting that your own nature through and through with all if the apparent flaws and even the wrinkles beside the eyes, the beautiful and loving expression of All That Is and out of the core of your being there can be an outpouring of this acceptance, accepting your own creature hood, your own sexual and spiritual nature in order to be able to accept it in the other. If you cannot accept it within you, how can you possibly accept it in the other and demand that the other accept it in you?

And once there is an acceptance and recognition and an awakening and an enlightenment upon such a sweaty topic, then you change, your neighborhood changes, your community changes, your culture changes. Until eventually your whole world itself is transformed. This kind of recognition and acceptance can actually take the war out of humankind. And there were many ancient practices where this was done to purge the individual, the soldier, the warrior.

In such a society matriarchal systems were very much in place and understood for the values it brought. There was an understanding that the male cannot rule without the healing of the female. Once that aspect of the human psyche was restrained and collectively stripped of its healing and nurturing abilities and relegated to the kitchen and the baby factories then Mankind lost its perspective and became overly laden with testosterone.

There is now resurgence and a return to such views. And gradually you will keep seeing changes at that level, but this will take time. It is said that by the third quarter of this century many things will be accomplished by the return of the Christ entity, and indeed this entity, she has many things to do. (Laughter)

Now though there is no specific gender characterization at essence level, and though many people still assume the return of the Christ and the Christ entity itself unquestionably must be male, we might suggest you think again. The entity is nurturing and in your terms has definite feminine characteristics because there is indeed a great need for balance and harmony at that level.

And that is why it is important for everyone that hears this and everyone that will read this for years to come, it is important that you recognize that it is only by healing your human nature as we have described in this rather heady discussion, and that as the years and decades go by you may indeed see a return to ancient practices that incorporate long forgotten traditions of spiritual and sexual practices. And these traditions have never died but have been submerged deep within the human psyche. But they are resurfacing when there is the time and the need.

So do not think that somehow or other you cannot be spiritual and sexual at the same time. When properly perceived, your sexual or spiritual moods can indeed be experienced as two facets of the very same coin. Your perspective makes the difference. You can continue to see that anything about your sexuality somehow or other goes against spirituality, but that is your perception. It is not a fact. Or you can see that indeed the loving flow one to the other and that quite like the greatest spiritual expression you can engage in is when you are at your most sexual and vice versa. So it is a matter of perception and perspective and what you enjoin yourself to perceive at that moment.

And when there are more and more individuals that recognize this return to ancient long forgotten traditions and practices you may even recognize that for all intents and purposes the two were never separate subjects but simply different facets of one energy, the expression of essence that you and you and each of you are. And to pretend that it is spiritual to not venture into topics of sexuality is only giving you part of the picture.

But once you step into the picture and the experience in 3-dimensional flesh and blood and see that your existence is spiritually sexual and sexually spiritual at the same time, then indeed the very cells and molecules and atoms and quantum particles that compose your subjective and objective selves can rejoice because they no longer have to be restricted by you.

And with that we will get off our soapbox and let you enjoy a small break.

(Break begins at 8:35.)

JOHN: I don’t know whether to sneak downstairs for a smoke or stay here and talk about sex.

MARK: It’s ALWAYS sex first then a cigarette! (Laughter)

ALEX: Very funny. That was good.

(Miscellaneous discussions about sex and what Kris had spoken about.)

MARK: It is also interesting that he talked about the Christ entity coming back and being feminine, but he has also talked about the Christ character being fictional mythos even though the energies behind the mythos were there.

ALEX: I think that he is telling us that we are collectively bringing it back according to the belief system that we are at and I was thinking when he mentioned that, are we ready to accept a Christ figure as a female?

JOHN: Actually, did he really say that it would be female or did he just say that if you think it will be male, you will have to think again? What I am saying is that it just a little looser than…(Kris interrupts)

(Kris jumps back in at 8:37.)

KRIS: Now when you or any of you speak about the Christ entity and savior you imagine a physical image. However, the energy behind it is no such thing. For instance, if you wanted to meet the real Mona Lisa and you go to the Louvre with a bottle of wine and some French breadsticks and sit at the picture hoping that this will fulfill the desire, you are mistaken. This is the image reproduced by the artist of the original, but it is nothing like the original.

You are nothing like the original source of your energies. But you identify with the parameters and the laws that govern physical expression and physical reality. But what people see in this room, what your parents have seen since your birth, what your relatives have dealt with and the exchanges you have had with thousands of people since your appearance in the physical world is not the truth, rather these are the interactions that occur on stage.

You do not for instance really believe that the guy playing Romeo really goes around talking like that or wears tights. Do you understand? So this is what he is portraying. This is what he is conveying to the audience.

Similarly you or anyone in this room are playing a character and you play it very well, but you are not that character. You do not expect anyone on television in any performance or drama to actually act like that in real life.

Now there is a vast difference between yourself as others know you and YOU. You try to convey, to project, but even that projection is slightly altered by how others project upon you and you cannot deny this, you cannot say, 'the individual in front of me will not project through me. I will not be a reflection for his or her perceptions.' It is not possible. That is the nature of the laws of physics in this reality.

And the other cannot look at you and say, 'I will not allow her perceptions to project through me. I will be who I am.' You have instead a middle ground where both of you exchange perceptions to one degree or another. You are partially yourself, they are partially themselves, and together you come to a consensus about each other's perceptions and projections, even if it is all done instantaneously and unconsciously, telepathically. Do you follow?

ALEX: I do. Then is it safe to say that I can't really held responsible for all of my actions then?

KRIS: On the contrary, that would be a great scapegoat. You are responsible for all of your actions for they are the result of your personal convictions.

ALEX: Taking into consideration the other person's perception or perspective.

KRIS: The other's perceptions do not force you to do anything. Allow and you cannot not allow. You are yourself to the best of your abilities. The other is herself or himself to the best of their abilities. And together you have a happy middle ground, a consensus reality. Does that make some sense to you?

ALEX: Some. Not all.

KRIS: Indeed. When you look in the pond and you see the tree by the edge of the pond reflected in the pond's surface through the refractions of light you see what appears to be the upside down version of the tree, but it is not the tree. It is a reflection of that tree. Now if you try to climb that tree you will get wet as opposed to climbing the other tree. (Laughter)

The water moves. There are waves. Light is refracted off its surface and it is altered when it enters the striations of water currents and its molecular structure. So it may appear slightly skewed. But it still retains the overall appearance of the tree, but it is not the tree. It would not be a good idea to chop that tree down either. You will again get wet.

Now if you wish to know the tree, would it be better to study the reflection or to actually look at the tree? Touch the tree? Embrace the tree? Climb the tree? Feel its leaves? Feel its bark? Maybe even taste the leaves, taste the sap. That will give you a better idea of the tree and its nature. But still the tree itself is a projection of its own energy and it is very different. Do you follow so far?

ALEX: I do.

KRIS: Now you have your perceptions of what a tree is. The tree has its own perceptions of what it is. Its perceptions of itself might be very different from what you perceive, but you both have perceptions that you exchange. So the tree senses what you project. You sense what the tree projects, and your physical senses and your inner senses interpret those images in a specific manner. And your individuality still remains intact and authentic.

But to each other's eyes your perceptions about your true nature is interpreted through your senses. When you meet another individual you undergo the same process. And what you feel, what you sense will be both your own and how they interpret that is their own. That is how you exchange perceptions. Your individuality and authenticity is never marginalized or overridden. Neither is theirs. But the interpretations at the subjective levels are where the game is at.

So it is a matter of looking perhaps beyond the physical perceptions at what you feel, sense, perceive, interpret, what you discern. And you may think that you have the interpretation down pat, and so would they. But in reality they are the interpretations and not the actual thing. You may think the Mona Lisa actually looks like that, but she may look quite different. In your physical reality she would be very different looking indeed today. (Laughter)

So you are playing with perceptions.

ALEX: Is that ego?

KRIS: The ego structure, though it is interpretation through the auspices of the senses. You cannot do anything but, neither can you kill or destroy the ego to try to attempt to get a better perception. That would be no different than a marathon runner thinking that if he or she removes their arms and legs they might present less drag in the wind. They will get nowhere faster, but they will not get anywhere. Do you understand?

(Yes)

So it is a matter of playing at perceptions.

ALEX: If you are with somebody that you just don't see eye-to-eye with, that you have completely different perceptions or perspectives. How do you ....it's hard to understand how that person is a reflection of you or that person is you because let's say their belief system is so opposite to you. How do you reconcile that?

KRIS: You do not have to make reconciliation on the spot, and it may not dawn on you for some time. To make such attempts would actually aggravate the situation.

Now, if this is the case, accept it for what it is at this time. You agree to disagree. When you are in a better place and recognize where the signals, that is the emotions and the feelings come from, then through introspection you might recognize that they were mirroring back to you certain aspects, incongruencies within your own belief paradigms, whether about yourself, other individuals, or wherever the situation has incongruencies.

Thus various aspects of your personality are always flowing in and out through the window of your perception. You are all made up of countless aspects. Be aware. This is what Elias says all the time. Notice! If you notice you will see that you are not the solid-state personality you think you are but that instead you are literally a kaleidoscope of aspects that flow in and out of this window of perceptions all the time.

ALEX: What if you notice that you've changed but the people around you haven't? Is that possible? You evolve or whatever, change your perspective and your perceptions and other people around you haven't.

KRIS: Then it is quite likely that you have noticed that certain aspects of yourself or rather you have changed their juxtaposition. You have brought into your window of perception other aspects that may indeed be able to contain and entertain a wider perspective. There may also be others that have yet to accommodate these changes within yourself, and those in your environment that you perceive as not having changed much may be reflecting your other aspects that still need to pursue their own awakening. Does that make some sense?

ALEX: Actually it does. Is that part of the ego structure too?

KRIS: This is one of the things that the ego structure learns.

ALEX: Okay. That makes sense.

KRIS: Indeed because the other may also have changed. You may not see it yet. So when you have rose-colored glasses, you do not see the blue spectrum only the rose spectrum. If you want to see other spectrums you need to change glasses or the window of perception.

Now we will return you to your lovely break.

Break resumes at 8:53.

MYRNA: [To Mark] You know when you said to me just as I was leaving last time, the changes that you had experienced in me from when I first came to where I am now. I recognized this about it later that it's all around now understanding that everything in my environment is an aspect of me. And this was hugely liberating. So what I need to do is to see it as that and work with it as that versus getting all out of sorts because somebody's done something. You know? It's huge.

ALEX: It can also be, I find it's also frustrating though because I DO get out of sorts, because somebody's done something and I say, 'well, wait a second that's me getting me out of sorts.' And that's what that whole [unintelligible]..I was starting love myself, now I hate myself. It's like, okay that's an aspect of me, that's an aspect of me, and I don't like it. How did I bring that part of me out?

LIDA: Did he say that actually every person is a side of you?

ALEX: Of you.

MYRNA: So you see something that is difficult. Right? And it's like [unintelligible]

What John has worked with me on around this is rather than wrestle with that aspect, embrace it. Okay, what is it? What is that aspect? Alright, you're a real bitch or you are really arrogant or you've got a real killer aspect. Yes? Thank you. At some point that energy probably was important and I have a choice at any point. I have a choice as to what aspect I choose to listen.

ALEX: Is there ever a time though when you are dealing with somebody, like let's say a husband and you're not getting along with your husband and you're thinking about a divorce and your husband is an aspect of you, is it okay to say at some point, 'you know what? I can't make this work'? Like at what point do you say that?

MARK: Any time that you have to make the call, you have to draw that conclusion that there are times that you will accept it to a certain degree, other times that you will bitch about it and you get to the point where YOU want to make the call and say, 'okay. This is the breaking point.'

MYRNA: No longer do I want that aspect.

SERGE: It's like with me with jobs. I have three parts to a job. I like my job or even love my job. I even like to bitch about the job. And then when I move into the third phase, 'oh, I don't even like to bitch about it anymore. Move on.'

MARK: That's very enlightening for me because I do that all the time because I do love my job and I do love to bitch about my job and sometimes it motivates me. When I really have a lot of work or something major to do, I will make myself angry. It causes me to focus on what I want to do and I get it done. I get angry. It gives me the energy I need and I do the job. But I love my job. You're right. It's when you don't even want to give it....when I get quiet, that's when people have to worry. That's when I’m really upset, I’m really bothered, and then I can't even bother.

ALEX: So when you leave the job or divorce the husband you're letting go of the aspect of yourself that.....I guess I’m thinking that you always have to work it out., but if you decide to let go of the husband or the job....

SERGE: You've got to be practical too. I mean, how many battered wives are there out there that think that someday they'll be able to change their husband or their mate?

MARK: Or themselves. Those are the ones who actually truly believe that they are at fault. Unfortunately with battered women they actually say that many of them believe that THEY are at fault. You know and there is acceptance at that level. [They believe] That they deserve what they got because the sinful self, blah, blah, blah.

ALEX: It's okay to say no, to let go of that aspect of yourself.

MARK: There's no right or wrong here.

[ People talking on top of each other]

SERGE: There's a very strange thing occurred in late '88 early '89 after Shirley MacLean’s movie called “Out On A Limb”, for some reason I got at least a dozen clients to talk to Kris. They were all women. None of them knew each other. They all had a very similar experience. Their husbands were either emotionally, psychologically, sexually or physically abusive towards them or sometimes all of it. But they all knew the same thing. They all had the same perception about their husband. They were all convinced that somehow or other their husbands were bisexual in nature and couldn't deal with it. So they, the husband couldn't accept his bisexuality.

MYRNA: But that's all aspects of them too.

SERGE: And they all were unable to reconcile that because of social, family whatever. So they took it out on the wives. What was more interesting I found is that my father and my stepfather were also like that. They were both abusive at all levels, not only to our mother but to ourselves as kids. What I thought very interesting later on because I didn't get everything at that time, but later on I was working as incumbent receptionist for Visiting Homemakers' Association of Ottawa / Carlton and I was the major receptionist taking all the calls.

Now we had access to literal warehouses of information everywhere, government, anything else. And I had been talking to somebody in one of these warehouses, clearinghouse of information for the government, stuff like that, about this very subject. I was to get another perspective on that, so I was just talking about that, and as far as this woman was concerned there was no such thing. Men beat up women. End of story. There was no reason to look behind the scenes as to what was causing them to beat up their wives or their girlfriends or whatever. You know? Men were animals. End of story. And I know that's not the fact. And I know that the trauma that my dad and step dad went through constantly about this. And also the stories of these 12 women, which I thought was phenomenal that they were all having the same issue and especially this was a bedroom community. It was Orleans. It was like Scarborough to Toronto to Ottawa. So it's a small community, but it's very picket-fence kind of attitude, stuff like that. So there's a lot of stuff going on underneath.

MYRNA: [Unintelligible]

SERGE: Yeah

MYRNA: On a literal level.

SERGE: And to channeling.

MYRNA: Not a surprise. What's interesting is to take a look at that, from what I know now working with John and with Kris, to have those women understand the victim and the perpetrator in themself. Right? Many of them choose only to be the victim, only to act out of the victim aspect. Not the perpetrator themself.

SERGE: What was interesting with these women was that they had enough insight to understand there was a reason why their husbands were like that. They were hoping to be able to kind of help them, but the majority of them had concluded that the only way they can actually help their husbands is to remove themself from the situation. So they had recognized the enabler and decided to cut it off and to remove themselves completely thus giving their husbands the best chance of healing themselves. Whatever they did with that was their husband's problem.

MYRNA: It's interesting that they cut off the enabler in themselves too. Right?

SERGE: Yes. And ultimately I thought, 'oh my god I’m going to be in a lawsuit here in a divorce suit.'

MARK: It goes right back to the quote that Kris said earlier. They can only tell you what you want to be told. And nobody, mo matter who you're talking about, anybody, they can only tell you what you want to be told.

SERGE: This is a very, very difficult issue, especially with battered women's syndrome and all sorts of stuff like that, rape victims. Most of them turn right off no matter what this conscious creation stuff does, the majority of them, there's an area where it's blacklisted. You can't go there with that. And it's very, very hard and it's often the biggest trouble.

ALEX: You're talking about an area in your mind or your coping mechanism?

SERGE: Whatever the belief structures are. Not all of them but many women, or even men for that matter have a hard time taking that other step into this conscious creation stuff because it would have to change their whole dominant belief.

MYRNA: It changes everything.

SERGE: It's very powerful because then you have to kind of, well, who you going to fault? There's no one else to blame here and NOT EVEN YOU. You're not even to blame. We have to change the situation. So that's actually very powerful stuff.

ALEX: But there is a sense of walking on nothing after that if I can't even blame myself, who is there to blame? That's....

SERGE: That's also following the victim side of the mentality because if there's no one to blame, not even myself, what do we do with the fault? Well, we empower ourselves. That is the frightening part. I thought all my life I’m powerless. I had to do this I had to do that I had to follow those rules and everything else. And all of a sudden you're saying that I have the power to make my own decisions, whether it's about health or whatever.

ALEX: I don't want to be a victim anymore.

SERGE: Right.

MYRNA: We have the power to mold energy.

SERGE: What Kris says is that what we do best as a human being is transform energy.

ALEX: That's what the physical is, energy and consciousness makes matter, basically.

MARK: Creates matter.

ALEX: Creates matter, yes. How we choose to create it. That's what we are.

MARK: Transforming energy from one state to another.

Session resumes at 9:06.

KRIS: Such a small discussion (Laughter) gives you inkling as to the true nature of your humanity, of your humanness, of this apparent frail frame that may be hurt and destroyed at any moment. When you realize that you actually form your own reality, that it is not handed to you but that in a sense you mold it and form it on the fly, then you get a sense of that power that has its root in your divinity, your essence. That also eliminates the need to look for an outside external objective form of divinity. You ARE that divine expression from the inside out. So when you go to church or synagogue or mosque you go to one more of your pretty residences but we do not suggest to get a cut of the plate.

ALEX: That's very powerful.

KRIS: Indeed. It can shake the foundation of your civilization, but it is up to you how much shaking you want to do.

MYRNA: I have a question Kris.

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: I have shaken a lot and I feel very discouraged at this stage. I have shaken a lot. I have a desire to continue to shake and I would love some something from you. I don't know what I want. What do I want? I have chosen the corporate sphere to try and shake up the environment so that the individual and love can come in, and I feel very often beaten up by it. And I know that I’m beating me up. (Laughter) Okay I got that.

KRIS: We did not have to speak.

MARK: Indeed. (More laughter)

MYRNA: However, I need some words of encouragement to keep going.

KRIS: When you feel discouraged, when you feel disenchantment you are telling yourself what it is you are concentrating upon. The discouragement, disenchantment, the disheartened feeling are messages. They are signals, code that lets you know what you are focusing upon. Do you follow that? You always get what you concentrate upon.

You could not possibly capture those signals if your receptors were not already attuned to those signals.

MYRNA: Yeah. Got it.

Now then, when you see something on the boob tube you do not like, do you say to yourself, "I am forced. I am strapped in. I cannot move my feet.'

MYRNA: No, I can change the channel.

KRIS: Indeed you simply flick the thumb. So our suggestion is to actually throw your mind into the opposite direction, to the other corner of the arena and take a better bite. Bring to the surface any feelings, perceptions, imagery of any and all successes of the past and all of the envisioned accomplishments you want to see under your belt and any feather in your hat you wish to put and start generating those messages to bring those situations into your concentration. It is a two-way street. You get what you concentrate upon and you concentrate upon what you want to get. Does that make some sense to you?

Now, when you go to that shady place in your mind, you temporarily go there because there is still a part of you that feels a certain degree of contentment in perhaps bemoaning your struggles. Does that make some sense?

MYRNA: I don't like to hear that, but yes. (Everyone cracks up)

KRIS: Indeed. Just as you have become adept at working with aspects, call upon any of the Sisters you feel are appropriate and ask for assistance in resolving issues with that aspect that still likes to be a stick in the mud and every once in awhile like to throw mud into your windows. Do you understand? It is perhaps a prankster.

You do not need to browbeat it but to embrace and suggest to it that there are perhaps far more productive means of generating change, transformation, than sitting there slinging mud. And bring it into that part of the mind you can generate filled with the accomplishment of the past and envisioned accomplishments. Do you follow?

If you are going to the mountaintop, bring it with you. Allow it to see the valleys below and far reaching visions of horizons yet to be conquered. And allow yourself and that part of you to breathe in the revitalizing air that surrounds you and if you wish you may even decide to embrace it with all of the love that you can at any level. And then put that issue in the filing cabinet. Not file 13 because that part of you has a great deal of power. It sends powerful signals.

MYRNA: File 13?

[File 13 is the garbage can.]

KRIS: Do not file 13. Not trash it. Simply put it in the cabinet. That aspect of you also shows a disposition to a great deal of energy transformations. Make it your ally and not your enemy and use its energy for future conquests. Conquests meaning transformations.

MYRNA: I am having a hard time accessing that warrior in me. I used to be a tremendous warrior.

ALEX: You still are.

KRIS: We believe that you are kidding yourself. For you to be able to come here and take what we dish out (laughter) shows a Xena attitude. Do you understand?

ALEX: Here, here.

KRIS: Only a real red-blooded warrior would smile at what we say. So that shows us that in some respects you are far more like we are than you thought. So then you have to pick better battles. Does that make some sense to you?

MYRNA: (Stutters and everyone cracks ups.) I have one client that was, I don't know if you're talking, I get into this where I’m very confused so bear with me. Are you talking about choosing, when you say different battles, am I supposed to be looking or attracting different clients or am I supposed to be taking a certain attitude with me into some very tough clients? There is one company that is unbelievably hostile and I go, 'What am I doing there?' In fact I’m not there anymore.

KRIS: You are not there, but they are still with you.

MYRNA: Ah yes.

KRIS: They do not even pay you rent.

MYRNA: Yeah.

KRIS: This is the time to give them the eviction notice.

MYRNA: Yeah.

ALEX: Well said.

KRIS: When there are pests in your house, you get rid of them. We suggest that you embrace and release them. There is no need to fight. There is energy. Absorb, integrate, love the energy and release it. And go about engaging in the next challenge. You often take it upon yourself as a sign that this is evidence that somewhere you are not up to the challenge. Correct?

MYRNA: Yes.

KRIS: Now. Earlier on we said that when such situation arise it is not necessary to torture yourself. When the challenge is present before you acknowledge it, embrace it, release it.

MYRNA: That's what I’m feeling, that I rob myself of the warrior energy that I need.

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: When I don't let it out.

ALEX: Is it similar to what you were talking about earlier about the aspect of self that perhaps is trying to, you're trying to let it go as a way of dealing with it because you have.....(Kris interrupts)

KRIS: Indeed. There are often occasions where carrying the badge of the wounded may seem like an honorable display, whilst in reality you only keep it close to you in case things fail then the individual can say, 'See? I knew it all along. I was fooling myself. I am a failure.' So that would indicate that changes were only at the surface. The roots have not been pulled out, meaning the beliefs have not been changed, and we do not mean that you change a belief to another. You can change one belief FOR another. That is a totally different class of actions.

Thus when there is a part of self that likes to cling to such notions, it is perhaps time to organize a belief yard sale. (Laughter) You know that your energy will be needed by others, thus you can acquire new beliefs. You can focus on new changes for yourself.

MARK: Even if your beliefs are chipped or cracked? (Chuckles)

KRIS: One man's bad belief is another man's good belief. (Laughter) But we enjoin you to look at your situation as a further expression of your ever changing, turbulent nature, knowing full well that you can always surprise the weatherman with your inner storm. You have a great power and it is perhaps simply a matter of looking at it from the bottom and lifting it up to those heroic dimensions. And indeed, the symbol of the warrior IS heroic. Do you not agree?

View your perspectives from that level and you recognize when you are moving into that shady place, you feel your energies drop little by little and that should let you know it is time to stop the elevator and go back up. Does that make some sense?

It is merely an entirely subjective action, but that subjective action has a powerful influence upon your objective nature. But it occurs here in the realm of those neurons and brain cells and neurotransmitters.

MYRNA: Okay, so I need a good cleanse.

KRIS: Indeed. You need a good brain washing.

MYRNA: A brain washing. (Laughter)

KRIS: We do not believe there are any good brain dry cleaners in the neighborhood.

MARK: Or brain washers.

KRIS: Now then we will leave your merry selves to their heroicness. And may you all give yourselves the blessings that you do not dare otherwise by the bucketful. And with that we send you to your lovely selves and your lovely evening.

(Session ends at 9:25.)

ALEX: You know what, it's so funny because once you asked what I was asking in another way it became so clear to me and so I thank you because my problem is now so clear to me. What you were asking...your life just mirrors mine it's so uncanny. It really is.

MARK: Throw me in there too. (Laughs)

MYRNA: {Unintelligible]

MARK: There's a sense where you were talking about where his answers helped me as well.

[Several people talking. Can't pick out one.]

JOHN: Myrna always has good questions.

ALEX: She puts them in such a great way that I think it's relatable to a lot of people. Do you find that?

LIDA: Oh yeah, sure. But I don't understand Kris in one aspect because he mentioned that you should make up these experiences, that you should store them in your inner filing cabinet.

ALEX: File 13.

LIDA: Not in 13. But I think you should release them.

MYRNA: Actually, that's what I got when I heard him say store.

LIDA: He said file it.

ALEX: My interpretation of that was release the negative portion of it but then take that energy and harness that energy into something else. Don't forget the sense of that energy and use that energy in a.....

MARK: I agree. That's a portion of the transcript that I need to reread.

(Kris jumps back in at 9:26.)

KRIS: The possible can always become real. Now, the reason we suggested that is you cannot eliminate any aspects of your selfhood. You can, however, derive great benefit from the lessons learned, even those you may consider awful mistakes. So there are always methods by which you give yourselves teachings and lessons.

You cannot negate neither can you change or destroy beliefs you think might be inappropriate. You have chosen them. The idea of storing them may be allegorical, but nonetheless the lessons will continue to be part of your psychological history, part of whom and what you are for all times and all envisioned versions of time forever in that sense of the word.

It might also prove useful to other focuses. You will have derived great information and teaching from what you may consider a mistake of any kind. You simply diffuse the charge it affects upon you. No more can you obliterate any experiences that you have had as a child and growing up, but you change their nature and value to yourself to always keep a drawer full of memorabilia and gems and treasure and other such acquisitions because they are part of your psychological makeup, whether objectively or subjectively. They are part of your history, your historical presence in the physical Universe.

How you deal with such situations, how you transform their very influence upon you and therefore upon history is something others can also learn from. So when there comes the time for the sharing of your lovely history, you can go into any filing cabinet, you can go into any what is sometimes erroneously called the Akashic Records and say, "Eat your hearts out. Here is my history. Here is how I changed the face of human history by simply being myself. Now perhaps you can learn something from my experiences or not. It is up to you."

Because you do transfer and exchange such experiences not only with other expressions of essence, your other focuses, but with many individuals, some you only know of through your dreams and will never meet in the physical. Consider them badges of honor for deeds done.

Your interpretation of a negative experience or situation is only just that, YOUR interpretation. It may contain kernels of truth that will enlighten another individual in ways you could never imagine. Nothing is wasted in the Universe, not a thought, not a hair on your lovely heads. Even the dead cells in your body nourish the microbes and the bacteria that feed the food chain. Nothing is ever wasted.

That is also how you change history, for you ARE history. History is not written for the conquerors by the conquerors, but it is part of whom and what you are. Any other definition of history is only just that, a definition, and there is a significant difference between a definition and the reality. You are the reality of history. That is our story and we are sticking by it. And we stick you with that. (Laughter)

MARK: Quick question off topic. Arindal would like to know if possible an essence name for her daughter Ali and was wondering if she's a Brahm.

KRIS: Intonation of essence tone would be Muhuull. MUHUULL. Interestingly enough, this is another expression of Arindal, not necessarily as a direct essence tone. Arindal has other essence bodies.

MARK: Of course.

KRIS: Indeed then. We send you to your lovely historical selves and may the bones of your ancestors and your bones when they become ancestors keep speaking about the history of your growth and evolution and loving expressions.

(Session ends at 9:34.)

ALEX: And a fact of that is, you know a difficulty is that again say you were raped, you can't change the fact that you were raped.

LIDA: But you have this energy connected.

MARK: You can change how you perceive it.

ALEX: And you can actually turn it into a positive because maybe you can speak about it or whatever, but maybe that's what he's.....that makes sense to me.

It's interesting what he was talking about those dream essences at the very end because tonight three times I felt Chance around. I felt him.

[Chance is the name that Alex has given to the energies that she has been attempting to channel.]

Kris jumps back in at 9:35.

KRIS: It is obvious that your ancestral bones are still shaking their ancestral booty.

Now, you indeed have a choice always. That is the nature of your free will. You can choose to be a prisoner of the events of your past and even the events of your future or you become the creator of those events, the designer of your reality. That is a significant difference. And the choice is yours to make. If you choose to be the prisoner of your past, the victim of events and circumstances, then it may indicate that you still have some deep and powerful lessons to learn at that layer of existence where there are some others where you are no such prisoner, no such victim. And you should not berate yourself for that either.

Instead of hating that event, accept it, embrace it, love it and release it. If you cannot love and hope then you are seeking to make another prisoner. Be ready to release it, that keeps the river of love flowing. When you dam it up with insecurities and fears then you prevent the flow of life giving waters. Does that make some sense?

MYRNA: Kris, a question. My essence name is Sharaleene. Is there a Myrna that you could share with me as a warrior? Is there an image that I can have, a past or future Myrna as warrior?

KRIS: Now we do not think there is a sword-wielding warrior, but there is in your terms a future self that has a slightly different occupation than what you do now. We believe this Myrna (pause) raises at least eight children in an impoverished situation, but regardless of the odds against her, regardless of the APPARENT term for her children, she is willing to give them non-judgmental compassionate love. This Myrna has already agreed that the greatest sacrifice in her existence is to see her eight children all become successes in spite of what may come on their path. That we believe is a much more powerful warrior than one who may even head corporations. Does that make some sense to you?

MYRNA: I've feeling stronger already.

KRIS: This Myrna has discovered that whatever the odds are, they can always make it into a positive experience. We believe her situation is rather impoverished. You could consider it to be similar to growing up in Harlem, but she is determined that her heart will see her through. You could even tap into this and see that in spite of the path that she may live in a tenement there is an atmosphere that would make even the Saintly humbled. That is power.

(Pause) There is another that is also quite interesting. We are unaware of the time period specifically, but we believe this may be in the 14th or 15th century. We believe this individual may curdle a rabbi's blood but she is a Roman Catholic and she is believed named afterwards in history as St. Genevieve. Find references to St. Genevieve. There may even be many or at least a few.

MARK: Is that a "J" or a "G"?

KRIS: "G" like George. In French it was be St. Genevieve.

MARK: Do you think she was in France?

KRIS: In Europe.

MARK: In Europe.

KRIS: Perhaps Belgium. See what you can find. You may find some inspiration. And we are not saying this to make it a famous focus. We do not go there.

MYRNA: I'm not interested in famous focuses, more in a warrior.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: I have a quick question Kris, if that's all right.

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: I've been reading Charles Dickens since Christmas and just loving it. Pickwick Papers and I’m wondering. I have a kind of a feeling that I may have had a focus back in that time frame, early to middle 1800's. Just for fun.

KRIS: Our perception is that you may even have been an individual that inspired the story of his.

JOHN: Of Charles Dickens?

KRIS: Indeed.

JOHN: Oh good. That's pretty fun. Thank you.

KRIS: Indeed. Now we do not advise to collect royalties. (Laughter)

ALEX: Ain't gonna get 'em!

JOHN: No. That's fun.

KRIS: Now with that we will leave you to your blessed historical selves.

ALEX: Kris say hi to Chance for me.

KRIS: Indeed. Now you have done much work. You have broken many barriers and walls you did not think you could ever go through.

MYRNA: You're so right about that.

KRIS: And you have yet to discover more about whom and what you are, but you have already discovered enough that it made you shake in your boots. (Laughter) Only to realize that there was no need to fear yourself. We do encourage you to continue.

ALEX: I am so humbled by it.

KRIS: Being humbled is good. Being empowered is definitely a step up. (Laughter)

Now with that we will then leave each and everyone of you to marvel at the beauteous creations that you are.

ALL: Thank you.

Session ends at 9:45.