(Serge and I had planned to do the session over Skype, an internet telephony system, which we had tried out previously, and it had worked beautifully, but when the session time arrived, we got some kind of feedback audio loop: our voices kept echoing all through cyberspace. It was comical, and had us in stitches - Serge asked me if I had brought my other focuses along for the session! It was of course completely unacceptable to work with. We went back to the phone lines.)

KRIS: Indeed we thank you for your consideration and we are glad that you have sorted out your gizmos.

ELLEN: Well, I sure hope we have. Good Evening, Kris.

KRIS: Now, what does Kwaa'Ji have in his mind?

ELLEN: Oh, lot's of crazy stuff! I've been commissioned to do your portrait, you know. So what's up with the appearance of mythological beasties?

KRIS: Now as we have mentioned in a recent session, this is a form or projection of some of our energy as is suitable for another environment, where the laws of physics and belief systems are somewhat different from your own reality environment. And secondly, various aspects of this avian equine form represent some of the Nine Sisters.

ELLEN: Yeah, I read a little of that transcript yesterday I think it was. You said that the wings and legs represent four of the different Sisters?

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLEN: I think you said Grace and Joy for the wings?

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLEN: And the legs...

KRIS: Balance and Harmony. Now the rump is anyone's guess.

ELLEN: (bursting out laughing) The rump...!! Ha ha ha! And will you be posing for this portrait any time soon?

KRIS: Now we believe that your own artistic talents might indeed bring out the best side. Follow your impulses in this area.

ELLEN: Well, I certainly hope so. It's quite challenging. But I'm up for it. It's interesting to me that Serge had this image of you, and Marcy - Arindal - Marcy Singer, had the same image. We've been discussing back and forth through email - we've been corresponding quite a bit - and it seems like all of a sudden, everybody's having dreams of man/animals!

I had a dream, not long after you gave me my Essence name, where I saw a man, standing - um, sort of waiting for me it seemed like - and his face kept morphing into that of an animal-type face and then he would look more man-like. I thought it might have been Kwaa'Ji, but I wasn't sure. I felt...cautious...and sort of shy about - you know - wanting to approach, yet not wanting to at the same time. Then recently my daughter Shani had a dream of a winged woman with a face she said looked like a mouse. She said this woman had a beautiful voice and she came and she talked to her group. Shani is always dreaming about a group that she's with that goes and learns lots of different things, and they practice skills - psychic skills - and um...I was just interested what was your impression...what you thought she [the Mouse Angel woman] might have represented.

KRIS: Now, do keep in mind that the intonation or Essence name of Kwaa'Ji is one expression of Essence.

ELLEN: I understand that.

KRIS: As you are a valid and cherished expression of that Essence as well. Also keep in mind that at another layer if you wish, you have more than one Essence body. You are more than one Essence simultaneously. Thus, it is inevitable that when there are perceptions from the inner senses, that there are attempts by the neurological processes and the physical expression to interpret data or material in a manner that may make sense to the overall personality and ego structure.

Without those junctions, that allow an interface between the subjective and its many layers, and the objective, you would be unaware of any actions of consciousness. You would be merely aware of physical exchanges. When there are sufficient interactions between subjective and objective, then indeed, the depth of the experience is limited only by the capacity of the individual to remove the boundaries and barriers to its own innate wisdom and knowledge. Knowledge of Itself. Does that make some sense to you? So far?

ELLEN: Yes, I guess so. I'll probably be studying this transcript.

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLEN: So it's - it's an interpretation - it's the interpretation of me, and in terms of Shani's dream, it's her interpretation --

KRIS: Indeed. Now --

ELLEN: -- of her Essence?

KRIS: Indeed, and (pause) and as well...because there is a close interaction between yourself, Shani, ourselves, and your corresponding with Arindal...

ELLEN: Uh huh

KRIS: ...some of these details can easily be communicated telepathically without you specifically utilizing verbal communication whereby Shani would have listened. Do you follow?

ELLEN: Yeah. Yeah, that's really neat.

KRIS: As well in her case, she did then try, as best as she can, to interpret the subjective experience of actually being in a psychological atmosphere in an area of the psyche where she was in touch with various other expressions of her Essence.

ELLEN: Uh huh. She was with a large group.

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLEN: She recognizes the same people in her dreams over and over.

(Interesting note here: Shani told me that the Mouse Angel Being told her group that she created "this world" - the area in which Shani and her group had gathered, which was a beautiful park area within an immense temple-like building full of many rooms and stairways, etc. and that they were guided through by an instructor-type fellow that she recognizes as re-appearing in many of her dreams. She also said that before seeing the actual mouse/Angel Being herself, she saw a statue of her, somewhere along a corridor.)

KRIS: Indeed. Some of these are friends that only communicate in the non-physical, never to be met in the physical. Do you follow?

ELLEN: Yeah.

KRIS: And others in this group are also expressions of Essence. And she tried to give form - emotional form - to the energy of the collective Essence, meaning the Mouse Goddess. Do you understand?

ELLEN: I think so.

KRIS: This is the way she could make sense of it for herself in imagery.

ELLEN: Shani said she was very, very beautiful, and that she came among them all and spoke to them for a long time, which I thought was pretty...a pretty great dream!

KRIS: Indeed. She should utilize it in her meditation, especially the image of this Being.

ELLEN: She's artistic, too. I should get her to draw it.

KRIS: If she can, indeed that would be excellent. You could say it is a composite expression of her own Essence. It is not the whole ball of wax. This is one expression she allowed herself to perceive as long as she could give it interpretation. Without being able to interpret, to transform energy from one state to another, the individual and the individuality retreat from physical existence.

That is what you do as a species. You translate energy from one state to another. Emotions, for instance, are not the message, nor are they the messenger; but they are a translation of both. Images such as what you have perceived, what she has perceived, are not the real item, but they are an expression. One perception of the Source. They are symbols.

ELLEN: Wow...while I'm mentioning Shani, she'd like to know what her Essence name is.

KRIS: (long pause) We intone Essence name as In-DRU-lee-AH.

ELLEN: Oh, that's pretty. Spell it?

KRIS: I-N-D-R-U-L-E-A. Indrulea. You could say that the Mouse-woman is one reflection of Indrulea.

ELLEN: OK. And the animal/man I saw was one of Kwaa'Ji?

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLEN: Interesting. Well, that's a lot to think about.

(Here some time was taken up with a discussion of the interpretation of several recent dreams I had, a bit on the personal side, so I am editing; but I wanted to include the part where Kris introduces his Triple A Method. Here he is summing up for me what a particularly emotionally-charged dream I had represented:)

KRIS: But this (dream imagery) also indicates that there are emotional charges within your own realm, if you care to call it that way.

ELLEN: Uh huh.

KRIS: Whereby there are perhaps deeply buried memories.

ELLEN: Am I playing with fire?

KRIS: Indeed not. You would not have been able to allow yourself that experience would such an experience be beyond your own capacities. So you are learning in small steps to acknowledge, address, and accept certain experiences.

ELLEN: So as a technique, is it valid, is it useful?

KRIS: Indeed. Because the recognition will help to defuse. Not by fighting headlong and locking horns - but by rather creating a safety valve that enables you to do just that. Do you understand?

ELLEN: Yes, I do. Interesting. A little bit - creepy (laughing - the dream had a scene that royally creeped me out!). And a little bit intriguing at the same time.

KRIS: Now do you know what these three "A's" are?

ELLEN: The three A's?

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLEN: (uh oh! Brain freeze!) No, I don't think so.

KRIS: Then when you receive the recording, find this part which exists approximately 23 and a half minutes into the discussion and in that way, write down these three stages. We may even include it as a Practice of Perspective.

ELLEN: Okay. Sounds good. Sounds like I'm going to be smacking myself in the head for it when I hear it. One of those "D'OH!" things.

KRIS: A Simpson's moment.

ELLEN: Yep. (laughing) Oh man!

KRIS: Please feel free to continue.

ELLEN: I'd better get my other kids' names or they'll be mad. So let me do that before I forget. Could you give me Kalila's Essence name?

KRIS: Indeed. (pause) Essence name can be pronounced B-I-T-U-L-L-A-N. Bit - too - lan.

ELLEN: Bitullan. That sounds masculine, is it?

KRIS: Even though gender is irrelevant, there is a masculine overtone to her persona.

ELLEN: Uh huh.

KRIS: As is in yours.

ELLEN: And Rafi?

KRIS: (long pause) We will offer here a Sanskrit name. It is pronounced Bal - a - ram. B - A - L - A - R - A - M. Balaram. He has some affiliations and perhaps some as-of-yet untapped interests or being drawn to certain Indian tendencies.

ELLEN: American Indian or East Indian?

KRIS: From India.

ELLEN: I was wondering about Rafi: one time I had a dream a couple of years ago, where I got the impression where he might be a focus or a fragment or something of my mother's brother, whose name was John Bodine, who died in 1931 at the age of 12. It's kind of a long dream, I won't go into it, but there was some content in it that seemed to point that way.

KRIS: There is a (pause) a link... to that particular expression or focus; though of course, this is not the same individuality. This could be said to be another facet of a similar resonance. But yet retains its own eccentric individuality.

(Editing of other personal dream material)

ELLEN: When you had told me some time ago to sort of meditate on Kwaa'Ji, or to invite Kwaa'Ji to have more of a presence in my own Being --

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLEN: Well, one night when I was trying that I got the sudden impression of sort of a feeling of buoyancy - I was thinking about the Vimanas - and I got this feeling of buoyancy almost like a bubble of air pushing against my stomach and the thought came to me that - I wondered if the control of the Vimana was somehow controlled through the solar plexus area, and if the crystals used were crystals that were particularly attuned to that area of the body. Was that a valid impression?

KRIS: For those Vimanas powered by crystals it would be fairly accurate. Though the crystals are also picked and made to resonate to the frequencies of the operator, him or herself, thereby creating a unique energy signature field working in conjunction with various aspects. The Vimana itself being a type of manufactured living substance. They were not like planes that you have nowadays, but very private vehicles.

ELLEN: Yeah, I also had the feeling that it was close around my body. It was just a brief impression, but it was kind of strong. It was either that, or it was gas.

KRIS: You can eliminate the latter.

ELLEN: (laughing uproariously - Kris can be so deadpan in his delivery!)

KRIS: Pardon the pun.

ELLEN: Well, you know, you're always second-guessing yourself.

KRIS: It is a good thing to acquire and develop critical observation faculties; but not when you do so at the expense of your own good nature. And in some instances worry about worrying.

ELLEN: That's for sure. That's something I do a lot of, and I see that in my card spreads a lot. But I was just interested if that was a valid impression or not.

KRIS: Indeed. Please continue.

ELLEN: Once through a brief automatic writing experiment I was trying, I got the words "We speak through weakness" and I talked about it a bit on newworldview.com. I was wondering if you could give me your impression of what that phrase meant.

KRIS: Keep in mind these are early and preliminary attempts at communicating with the board, Correct?

ELLEN: It wasn't a Ouija board, it was an automatic writing attempt -- but yes.

KRIS: When communications from other sections of the self are translated there are times when the translation can become slightly garbled, much like when you play the telephone line in those little games children play. Do you understand?

ELLEN: Mmhm

KRIS: It quite possibly originated as weak signal from another part of the self interpreted specifically in that manner.

ELLEN: Ah!

KRIS: With refinement, you can increase the capacity and the potential of this resource.

ELLEN: Just keep trying, huh?

KRIS: Indeed. There are many individuals that are firmly convinced that on their first, or perhaps their second attempt they will receive revelatory material that should transform human life to its very core, without thinking that this is first of all setting themselves up for an utter disappointment; and actually setting expectations in areas where there should be none. Set a genuine friendly attempt to open a communication with other parts of self.

ELLEN: So it might actually have been a hint that I needed to - to work for a stronger connection.

KRIS: And this is achieved through practice.

ELLEN: OK

KRIS: The athlete does not become strong the first time on the track. The athlete, or athletic runner, needs to practice many times, many hours, and many years to achieve his or her optimum speed and performance. Do you follow?

ELLEN: Yeah, definitely.

KRIS: Another similar example is the child in kindergarten. Because the child is in a type of school does not mean that within a few hours he or she should be able to pick up any university level manual and begin to offer their thesis. Do you understand?

ELLEN: Oh, yeah.

KRIS: There needs to be a gradual, consistent development. Similarly, keep trying your hand at these types of communication.

ELLEN: OK. I wasn't sure whether by "weakness", what was being conveyed meant "receptivity" or "allowance."

KRIS: This might also have been a secondary role in trying to draw your attention to those aspects of yourself whereby you may assume that you are a weak individual.

ELLEN: Uh huh.

KRIS: Trying to get your attention to what you consider weaknesses in your own personality makeup. Does that make sense to you?

ELLEN: Yep, certainly does.

KRIS: So with that it is natural that the signal would have been weak because of your own uncertainties in this area.

ELLEN: And guards that I might have put up.

KRIS: Indeed.

ELLEN: Yeah, that makes sense. That's something I tend to do automatically, even when I don't want to.

KRIS: All of these are for you opportunities to understand more of your own psychological make-up. No action is undertaken and acted upon without inner reflection excepting those rare occasions when you need to either decide to fight or run. Do you understand?

ELLEN: Yes.

KRIS: Life is indeed a series of opportunities to examine that which you are teaching yourself and then building upon such a foundation you become truly a different individual.

ELLEN: A learning experience.

KRIS: It is more than that, but still, a powerful learning experience where you come to recognize how it is that you transform energy from one state or another into something entirely different by appearances through the auspices of a gambit consisting of attitudes, expectations, emotions, perceptions, and so on and so forth. All of these are filtered through the lenses of your belief structures and you end up with who you are now.

ELLEN: (jokingly) One confused woman!

KRIS: On the contrary! ... (slyly) You-u...someti-i-i-mes... play the role of "woe is me."

ELLEN: Oh no! I don't want to play the victim!

KRIS: When you recognize this, then you can release it, creating different behavior patterns.

ELLEN: Yeah, well I don't want that behavior pattern.

KRIS: Indeed. It is so cliche!

ELLEN: That's for sure.

KRIS: (Humorously) And - one never knows how to properly dress the victim for going out.

ELLEN: Yeah, for real. Basic black?

KRIS: Now do you have another lovely question?

ELLEN: One question about Kwaa'Ji. I've used the cards now and again to try and get a little insight on him, what times were like in his time, and a lot of time I get from his character that he was rather um - highly rational, highly into the "masculine" side - I was wondering if sometimes he might have been so far into that at the expense - maybe? - of the "feminine" qualities?

KRIS: To a certain degree. Remember that he was a highly specialized engineer.

ELLEN: That's sort of what - I just keep thinking I'm getting that [impression from the cards].

KRIS: Now this is only one expression of Essence.

ELLEN: I know.

KRIS: There would have been other expressions that displayed compensating behavior.

ELLEN: Well, that's why I think it's that maybe I - my own expression - is compensating somewhat.

KRIS: Indeed. There is always a certain degree of a balance.

ELLEN: Because I've chosen to explore in this focus more of the feminine characteristics.

KRIS: Even though you embrace certain masculine qualities, you have been able to balance them out through the nurturing aspects of feminine energies.

ELLEN: That's what I kind of thought I was getting from the cards. Um...it's just kind of a way to teach myself more...I mean I just keep learning more about how to use the cards... so it's interesting. I just wanted to know if I was getting the right impression of what Kwaa'Ji was all about. Were people of that time - that second Vedic wave - on the whole, more like that? More into the rational so-called "masculine" side of the personality?

KRIS: One does not need to look at the characteristics of one specific individual and assume that all his contemporaries did the same. Just as in this society, one does not necessarily need to assume that because a certain group of people may be more proficient at certain activities that all the people at that same time are alike.

There were many different expressions, perhaps even more so than your present civilization allows. But each one also had different sides of the coin to work with at the same time, creating an apparent chaos, just as in your present society; but at the same time that apparent chaos or, quote unquote "unpredictability" is itself highly predictable, for it is in some respect - steadfast. Does that make some sense?

ELLEN: Yeah, yeah. So, good, they didn't swing to one side at the expense of the other, in other words.

KRIS: There were very many compensating factors and each individual had his or her eccentricities as does the people in your present time. There always needs to be extremems at both ends of the spectrum, and everything in between. Does that make sense to you?

ELLEN: Yes. And it's good to know.

KRIS: Indeed. Just as in your own private existence - there are many extremes displayed but they are not the norm. Correct?

ELLEN: Correct. Thank goodness.

KRIS: Indeed. As such, the world is once again safe from another Ellen.

ELLEN: (laughing) Phew! Wow, that was a close one!

KRIS: And overall, you have seen that the last six to eight months have brought about a good deal of change in your own personality structure.

ELLEN: A great deal of change.

KRIS: And you are far more confident now than you were a mere few months ago. And we encourage you to keep pursuing your individualized realizations. There is no set standard for these types of inner events. One has to deal with the chosen parameters of the singular existence and work with that material of choice. There are some areas where more or less there are specific rules and laws to abide by. For instance, you cannot suddenly decide to stop breathing and expect you will still continue your daily activities. So you have to deal with specifics in areas of value creation. Do you follow?

ELLEN: Yes, I do.

KRIS: Now what is the time?

ELLEN: It is now...9:00.

KRIS: Indeed. May we suggest that we conclude our lovely discussion; but at the same time, we would like to suggest to you that there may be some occasons when you figure out the skype thing, that you are discussing with Joseph, that you make allowances for our own participation as well on an ad hoc basis.

ELLEN: Okay.

KRIS: With that, we thank you for your lovely self and its interactions, and may your dreams be as light as any vimana you might fly.

ELLEN: That's beautiful. Thank you.