Roll call in Toronto: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip)

Roll call in Castaic: Paul H (Janaki), Jo H (Rosalie), Ester (Benata), Drew (Onoru), Jim (Jericho).

Roll call in Oregon: Norm (Ambrose), Reta (Leihuu)

[Mark’s Notes: Prior to Kris entering the conversation we were talking about Physics. Norm would like Serge to read some books on or by William Tiller so that Kris would have access to some of the terms that Norm would like to use during his next private session with Kris.]

(Session begins at 8:09.)

KRIS: Now we thank you for your consideration and wanting to share some of your time with ourselves. Since you are continuing discussions in physics, we would like to press ahead and bring about a similar but slightly different discussion in terms of the physics of ideas. Would anyone care to define the word 'idea?'

(Pause)

MARK: Anybody?

PAUL H: An idea is a mental construct., construction.

KRIS: Indeed and how do you determine the difference between when you say, 'I thought of this and I thought of that' or 'I had this idea come to me'?

PAUL H: An idea's an inspiration.

KRIS: You would therefore have to agree that there is a marked difference between an idea and a thought, even though they are cousins one to the other. Do you agree?

NORM: Yes. One would be an inspiration from the spiritual side of you and the other would be an intellectual concept.

PAUL H: I would say one would be a subjective communication and the other would be an objective translation, the thought being the objective translation.

KRIS: And yet you can often perceive both, knowing the differentiation between the two states.

Now, where do thoughts and ideas come from? And by this we mean have you given sufficient observation to such processes to determine where the flow of your thoughts and/or ideas comes from? Do they come from your left, your right, front or back? Do they come from one specific corner of a room or a house or another?

PAUL H: For me ideas come from the back.

NORM: The difference between intuition and a thought to me is really important. I feel that intuition gives me the fact that I know it to be true whereas a thought is not necessarily true. Intuition comes from my spiritual side.

KRIS: Now in terms of physical location, where do you recognize the flow of thoughts of ideas as coming from or originating from?

NORM: That's a good point.

RETA: Deepak Chopra has gone into that very deeply in a lot of his works. You are the thinker of the thoughts but you have to be aware that thought is yours and the thinker of the thought has to use it and use his belief system or intuition to interpret that.

PAUL H: And I would say that for me it comes from the back as far as for Kris' front, back, right, left geographical sensing within my focus perception. Ideas come from the back.

KRIS: Indeed in terms of your own mental positioning devices, where do they come from?

RETA: Mine come from above my head in the back. The thoughts that I didn't plan on and just happened to come there without me asking for them maybe come from above my head.

NORM: That is a very good question and I would love to know where mine come from! (Laughter)

MARK: It's actually pretty funny because everybody here seems to be presenting the idea that they come from external to the physical body, external to the brain.

RETA: From my soul to the brain. I would say that.

NORM: Well I’ll tell you, I get a gut feeling, probably an emotional feeling if I know it's really true. When I have 'good' intuition I have a feeling in my gut that it is as a Universal truth.

KRIS: Perhaps if we presented a rather benign exercise you might understand more clearly. It does not require you or any of you to go into a deep, deep state, but simply pretend for a moment that in your mind's eye you have a radar-like device that scans the very room you are in and it will assist you in pinpointing the direction, the geographical direction that the flow of your thoughts reaches you. And it may be different for every individual. And that is acceptable.

So pretend for a moment that your radar device is turned on, that it is scanning the room you are physically in and it will signal what direction of the room the energy of your thoughts is coming from. Does that make sense?

PAUL H: Yes.

NORM: Does it make a difference what the environment is? What room you are in?

KRIS: It matters not.

NORM: Can you condition a room for your developing this?

RETA: It's spontaneous.

KRIS: The room itself is irrelevant because the room is reflections of portions of your own self, of your psyche. So the room or the house matters very little, but the angle or the direction coming from would be interesting for you to notice.

NORM: I know I’ve had clairaudience from other individuals before. I know that I’m starting to have more waking dreams now. And it appears that, like Paul says, I probably am behind my head. It's in reference to my body and not necessarily the room. But you are talking about looking for the room but really in reference to the human body.

KRIS: Look at it this way. When you open a window you feel a breeze of fresh air enter the room. If you were to open a psychological window to the idea-atmosphere, you would definitely also recognize an idea breeze.

NORM: A beautiful breeze.

KRIS: What direction do you sense that coming from? Is slightly to the left? To the right? To the middle? Is it slightly up or down relative to your position in the room?

ESTER: Mine feels straight from the left.

MARK: I feel the left too.

JO: I feel the lower right.

PAUL H: Lower back for me.

NORM: I don't know yet.

JO: You're getting it from all over.

RETA: There again it's spontaneous and you have to keep with your senses.

MARK: I definitely get the flow sensation. I not only see or visualize an entrance I also see an exit where they flow out. Maybe I should cork that end. (Laughter)

JO: Yeah, get yourself a physical cork.

NORM: But you've got to hear the pop.

KRIS: Now, everyone has a sense of that flow?

(Yes)

Indeed. Now put this aside for the moment so that you can all return to the discussion.

You are aware in your own world of events and circumstances and conditions that make up the days of your lives much like a soap opera, in a manner of speaking. By learning to pay attention and to be more observant, you may eventually notice that there is a direct relationship between the thoughts that you entertain, and this is a generic term for these thoughts may include emotions, perceptions, attitudes, expectations and definitely your convictions. So these are generally labeled as thoughts without having to go into the nitty gritty every time there is a mention of this. Agreed?

MARK: Agreed. Are you fine with that term?

(Yes)

KRIS: Now, by learning to observe the flow of your thoughts you cannot avoid recognizing that in actuality a very small portion of your existence actually occurs in the physical reality, that which you call home base. And in actuality the major portion of your being exists in this what we have called idea-atmosphere where there is a constant flow of concepts, living dynamic intentions flowing in and through the very nature of your being and of which in accordance with your convictions and perceptions you capture some of these concepts simultaneously letting go of countless others because they may not be related to your perceptions and convictions at any given time. But you are nonetheless surrounded and have your being in this idea-atmosphere, which exists outside of the regularly acknowledged time and space continuum.

In other words still the source of your being exists removed from time and space but you as an expression of your being, an expression of essence have your specific and unique experience within the context of a time and space continuum, another kind of idea-atmosphere, another form of energy within which you learn to manipulate and transform energy within the coordinates and the parameters of that field. But it is not your main existence.

This leads us then into this idea-atmosphere where you may notice a much accelerated state of being, accelerated in the sense that you are constantly unconsciously diverting a steady multi-directional stream of ideas in accordance with your unique perception and convictions to each of your various expressions. So perhaps if some of you wonder why you are tired at times, you have a ready explanation, but we do not suggest you present it to the boss.

Now, the point of this presentation is to perhaps lead you into recognizing that there are physics pertinent to this idea-atmosphere just as there are within dreams and within physical waking reality. In physical waking reality you are accustomed to measuring various units to give yourselves a sense of dimension. You measure matter. You measure mass. You measure distances. You measure time and so on and so forth. And a small degree of observation lets you recognize that in the dream state those applicable laws of physics are changed.

For instance, in the dream state what may look on the outside to be a small house may suddenly turn out to have the inner dimensions of great stately homes and mansions far larger than anything you could have recognized in seeing that same house from the outside. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

Other laws also do not apply in the dream state. Objects that may appear heavy may be much lighter and vice versa as well as the appearance of objects themselves. For instance, what in physical reality appear to be solid walls, which we believe most of you refrain from walking into most of the time, in dream states you can easily not only see through them but walk through them, letting you understand that different rules of physics apply.

NORM: Indeed.

KRIS: Now. In this idea-atmosphere where most of your dream states actually occur there are again different types of laws of physics that pertain and you do not need to be IN that idea-atmosphere to understand this but simply from your own waking perspective. You have thoughts and ideas come to you constantly. In fact, you cannot NOT have thoughts and ideas of any kind though you can choose to ignore them, but it is not the same as not having them.

The idea here is to develop an observation of these mental concepts. Notice for instance just as in the dream state any of the construction within dreams themselves, houses, buildings, cities, trains, planes, bodies, parks, trees, rivers, boats, mountains, regardless of how vast or miniscule do not occupy any space and real estate in the common sense of the word. Correct?

(Yes)

Similarly, ideas, thoughts do not occupy any space, do not weigh anything, are completely transparent and yet for the simple notion that some people may brush off ideas and thoughts as having any real consequence with physical reality, the contrary is most pertinent that thoughts and ideas are primordial and essential to the manifestations of physical reality, especially inasmuch as the human experience and adventure is concerned specifically in terms of the civilizations and the cultures that humankind has built. This is quite phenomenal for things that are considered ethereal, ephemeral and sometimes of no consequence that out of these thoughts and ideas and idea-atmosphere humankind has managed to create most beautifully and sometimes most destructively but always most creatively the events and conditions and circumstances and objects within physical reality.

You are able then through the auspices of the idea-atmosphere to create objects which have form, which have mass, which have weight, which have depth and which occupy space in your terms from something that does not in any of those terms. And they also that contrary to the thoughts and ideas which require no energy, your interpretations of these thoughts and ideas require energy to transform the elements of reality into a facsimile of the objects within the idea-atmosphere. Do you follow?

(Yes)

Now as a further enticement to investigations you give all of the objects within physical reality various kinds of dimensions but you are unable so far to give anything from the idea-atmosphere any similar descriptives except once in awhile the adjectives of 'this is big, this is immense, this is humongous, this is creative', but your physics and sciences are unable to be applied to the vibrant energies within the idea-atmosphere. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

NORM: Indeed with a lot of questions.

KRIS: Now what is the time?

MARK: 8:41

KRIS: Now we will engage you in a small break so that you can ponder the dimensions of your own thoughts. And we will return shortly. Agreed?

(Yes)

(Break begins at 8:42.)

Norm was wondering if this idea-atmosphere is a personal thing or if they are interrelated. In other words is each person's idea-atmosphere different from everyone else's or are they similar or are they the same?

Mark replied that as essence we exist in a sea of thoughts and ideas but these are projected to the physical by our essence self, so essence is picking and choosing and directing. We all have access to all the same thoughts but each individual essence will choose various of these to project into physical. A steady stream as Kris calls it.

Paul likened this to Elias' concept of subjective/objective. The subjective reality is this idea-atmosphere with much less separation. He said that he finds it very clear to think of this as thought as a translation and the idea-atmosphere as the source. He believes that Kris is simply bringing it back to a basic meditation technique of noticing and then stepping outside and becoming the observer and in so doing this is as close as we will come to experiencing this idea-atmosphere. He also posited that this idea-atmosphere is available to anyone at any time in any form, physical or non-physical.

[Mark’s Notes: At this point in time, Paul has NOT read the “Meta Wheel of Life” transcript and he does not realize how close to the truth he is in his comment about being the observer.]

Ester mentioned how sometimes she will have limiting thoughts as if somehow she will not be able to handle all of this information perhaps because she is not good at physics and yet if we all have access to this she will be able to handle this no matter if she is good at physics or not.

Norm said that it's like with a car, you don't have to know how the engine works to drive a car. However, he personally needs to know how the engine works. He said he envies people who don't need to know how the engine works but just get in and drive.

Norm asked Paul what he sees as the difference between the witness and the observer. Paul said that he sees them as the same. He believes it is always there.

Mark said that he had discussed that with Kris, referring to the observer and the witness comments. He imagined a scenario from Star Trek where a person would be interacting within a holographic drama with holographic characters who were not aware that they were holograms. If they were made aware of this fact then everything would change with that knowledge.

Norm said that we often don't understand that we are the observer and the operator at the same time. Paul called this nested awarenesses within our awareness and how Kris is challenging us to become more aware of these different levels through the idea of geographical areas of thought vs. impression, impulse, idea coming through.

Paul also mentioned Elias' concept that No-thing, this idea-atmosphere, can create something. He believes that this is the basic Holy Grail of conscious creation, how to make these concepts readily available to people.

Norm also offered that we not only create this physical reality but we also create this idea-atmosphere itself and therefore we are actually in the 'same' atmosphere in which Kris has their existence. Paul said yes and no because we are centered in Quadrant One as physical beings while Kris has their being in Quadrant Three, but Norm remarked that this does not mean that we are ONLY in this quadrant and then asked can we in effect communicate with each other through Framework Two.

Mark said 'you already do.'

(Kris returns at 8:53.)

KRIS: Now. As to your lovely question, obviously the answer is yes, you do communicate in Frame Two since you communicate in Frame One. You do not necessarily communicate in Frame One with everyone you communicate with in Frame Two, but everyone you communicate with in Frame One you do in Frame Two. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

That is according to the intent that you have within Frame One, how you wish to go about the transformations of consciousness within that sphere of influence. But you are indeed quite correct that you also create the idea-atmosphere because it is a natural state of being. From therein you create the dream state. From therein you create physical reality. We are making that direct connection because all three, the idea-atmosphere, the dream state, physical reality, are all different interpretations of yet something else, exactly in the same way that thoughts are interpretations. Do you understand?

(No)

Janaki? Do you understand?

PAUL H: I trailed out on that. I’m taking notes here. Maybe Ester can summarize that. (Laughter)

KRIS: Earlier on you clarified thoughts as being something very specific, an interpretation. Correct?

PAUL H: A translation.

KRIS: Indeed.

ESTER: You are saying that Regions One, Two and Three are all interpretations.

KRIS: Indeed, in the same manner that thoughts are translations your physical reality is a translation. Your dream realities are translations. The idea-atmosphere itself is a translation, each nested within the other, each emerging from various states of perception. And we have defined it in that specific order to help create a very specific awareness of the observer observing the observer observing the observer, each nested within its own observations. Such understandings can enable you to understand even more deeply the dynamics and mechanics of your reality creation process.

Now it is our understanding that some people think that when they stumble upon the reality creation conscious creation process that suddenly everything is different, and yet it is not. You have been engaged in consciously creating your lives and your existences since even before the dawn of time. Since even before you thought of time. You have created an entire industry of the world through which the contents of the idea-atmosphere are translated through dream states, through your conscious processes, into the events, conditions and circumstances of physical reality.

You have thought of the combustion engine, of cars, automobiles, trains, boats, any other means of transportation considered a modern amenity, and as such you have also created the industry necessary to manufacture those concepts from the idea-atmosphere right down to the nuts and bolts that are found in the engine that is in the car that when you turn the key on allows you then to go from Point A to Point B. Does that make sense?

NORM: Indeed

KRIS: Does it make sense to anyone else? (Laughter)

JO: Not the combustion engine part, but the other stuff does.

KRIS: Everything that you find in your physical reality, both what you consider manufactured goods as in one of those streams as well as what you think, what you believe may have existed in the world before your appearance in it such as the world itself. So you function at different layers simultaneously, maintaining and creating simultaneously, taking very specific coordinates from the idea-atmosphere, translating it down the line, if you wish, into what you presently experience as your modern world.

So it is indeed a massive endeavor of cosmic proportions because it involves the Cosmos itself. No small feat but one that may indeed require more observation on your part as part of your experience of reality.

So your awareness is far more developed than you give yourselves credit for. All it requires is that you recognize, appreciate, and most importantly accept your wondrous accomplishments, even at the layer of Earth gods and goddesses. You look at the bees and you are entranced by their marvelous abilities to take pollen and nectar and create their beehives, the beeswax, the honey, the royal jelly, all of which you find most delectable. You marvel at the termite's ability to create enormous hills, literally cities of mud. You look at so many other animals and insects and you marvel at their complexity.

And often with the same thoughts you might be globally tempted to be rather harsh on your own species, thinking that it may be obvious that the human species is destroying the environment. And it may very well appear that way to you since these are the beliefs that you hold.

But we deeply encourage you to appreciate your own individual creative endeavors, endeavors you have put into practice from the moment you have translated yourself from the state of subjective into the subjective/objective creatures that you are and which more appreciation for your own talents and creative abilities you might be tempted to reflect upon the whole of humankind, regardless of appearances, and see them in a similar light. Does that make some sense to you?

NORM: Can I ask a question? The three consciousness levels, so to speak, each one of these.....do we develop an intent for each one of them? And do we have a belief system for each one of them? Idea construction, dream state and the real world?

KRIS: Your intent, or rather intents in the plural, create the various states themselves, each with a specific purpose and you use these in the deep creative manners in order to sustain the entire industry of creation as you understand it. So it is very complex but not overly complex.

NORM: We intrinsically, inherently know how to do it.

KRIS: Indeed. You have never questioned your ability to think. Correct? You may have questioned your thoughts but that innate ability to think has never been put into question.

NORM: Right.

KRIS: You have never questioned your ability to see or to live. You have never learned how to see nor how to think, how to speak or how to be. These are innate to your being because they too, the objects of your thoughts, your seeing, your words, are translations. Everything is indeed a translation. You therefore live in an allegorical Universe. Everything is a symbol for something else. What that something is ultimately IS YOU in every sense of the word.

Your physical environment, your actions within it, all are translations of your own idea-atmosphere within which you have your being as non-physical. Does that make sense to your lovely self?

NORM: Yes

KRIS: Now what is the time?

MARK: 9:10.

KRIS: Indeed. Do you wish another small break?

(Yes)

(Break begins at 9:10.)

Norm asked Mark if he understood this last piece of what Kris shared and Mark said yes. We couldn't exist in physical reality without the ability to create it all. Mark asked if there was ever a baby born that could not think?

Norm talked about how babies will look at you with 'different eyes' than say a teenager with look at you, and he wondered what they are really seeing. He mentioned certain experiments that have been done with children up to age 15 the show that children gradually lose their ability to interpret certain physical experiences and he said he didn't think that should occur, that in making children conform to the status quo, we assume that the prism shows only one rainbow when in reality it shows two rainbows, young children can see two rainbows out of a prism. And he asked why do we lose that ability to see the two rainbows? Is that the translation of one of these three areas of consciousness that has been lost? And how does one regain that?

Mark suggested that that is what we are exploring now in widening our awareness.

Ester said that a friend was explaining to her the other day about electricity and she believes that in those terms we put a resistor into the flow as we age but that we do not need to do that.

Norm asked if that is not why we age, because we believe that is how it is.

Paul mentioned the idea of causality concerning aging. It's not just beliefs. There are other things that enter into the equation and to say that we age simply because of our beliefs is an oversimplification.

Norm asked if this is a realization that if we don't age and die we can't reincarnate or we will overpopulate the earth.

Paul said that it's by design. We designed this reality in this way to incorporate death.

(Kris returns at 9:15.)

KRIS: Your discussion is most interesting and indeed your species and its various members can live much longer than they presently do, but you cannot live in the physical body forever in that sense of the word. Your lifespan ideally can easily reach over 150 years of age, but there are many different conditions that can assist this and it is not only related to the idea of clicking your heels three times and saying to yourself, 'I will life forever. I will live forever. I will live forever.' (Laughter)

Of course your VISA cards would enjoy that. (More laughter)

Beliefs are tricky things. The majority of individuals that delve into conscious creation in one way or another often explore no more than the surface most layers of the concept. Some think, for example, that all they have to do is think healthy thoughts and they will forever be healthy. But our question is, why do you not notice that you must change your very concept of health. To think that you may live forever and keep eating McDonald's are two juxtaposed belief systems. (Laughter)

You should investigate a healthier lifestyle if you wish to engage those specific belief systems. The thoughts themselves will not lead you there. Do you follow?

NORM: McDonald's has salads these days, you know. (Laughter)

KRIS: There are many aspects that have to be looked at and understood. You cannot instruct your physical body to maintain an absolute healthy stance without providing it with the foodstuffs and the nutrients necessary to maintain that stance. Otherwise it is the sheer height of laziness and folly to do so. To instruct, program the physical form to keep you healthy and at the same time you are going to feed it the most inferior types of foods and expect it to perform at maximum. Do you understand?

(Yes)

So there are many aspects to consider as instances. And again your species can live much longer, but not indefinitely. At one point the ability of that body to translate your energies will be outgrown. You will need to enter into another stage and literally another existence to continue translating your energies. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

Thus the elements that compose your physical form can then be returned to the earth where it will feed the worms to provide food which will make the bodies of other entities entering your dimension, wishing to manifest themselves from the layer of idea-atmosphere to dreams through the physical state in the classic sense of the process in the sense of the industry of the world as you understand it.

So you have created a most wonderful mechanism, a living dynamic mechanism within which you have your wondrous being, and to consider that such a world is somehow or other flawed does not make much sense, now does it? You have created the herbs and the plants to feed yourselves and to heal yourselves. For the last few hundred years you are experimenting with divergent lines of consciousness. For example with the creation of allopathic medicine as opposed to traditional medicinal systems, wishing to see what intentions might create here and there and the other place.

But you are now starting to see collectively that the allopathic model cannot bring about the same results but have brought about different and interesting perspectives that may indeed go off into other probabilities while you swing back literally to reincorporate nature's bounty into your daily lives. But this will require much thought because you have surreptitiously damaged much of the natural living environment, which has sustained you for millennia and eons. Now you much create the opportunities and the intent to bring this to a state of harmonization.

But you are undertaking many marvelous experiments. Some may not turn out. Some may. Some may be dropped. But you are still experimenting and creating because that is your nature, the nature of creating civilizations as the bees create their hives and their honey and the beavers create their dams and their huts and the termites create their hills and their underground cities, so do you naturally instinctively translate from the subjective to the objective and you create them your civilizations.

So you are indeed most ingenious creatures but you need to see yourselves in that light. We already see you in that light. We already embrace your endeavors. Are you ready to embrace yourselves and your own endeavors to the same degree? What kind of physics are involved in such a subjective action? We leave you then to ponder that mystery in your dreams and in your idea-atmospheres and until we meet again do enjoy and embrace your natures.

JIM: This is Jericho and I have a question Kris if you will indulge me for a moment.

KRIS: Indeed.

JIM: If I could acquire my six-pack please.

KRIS: (Pause) Now you are prone to much introspection and subjective translations of other states. Some people might tend to think that you can be at times spaced out. Is that correct?

JIM: Oh yeah. (Laughter) I’m a bit spacey. But I like that.

KRIS: Indeed. There is a definite reason, and in part this evening's discussion is very pertinent to yourself.

JIM: Yes indeed.

KRIS: Because our desire for you is to pay attention to that sweet subjective nature of yours because you have a belonging to that is outside of this system that actually is in our own system, that which we refer to as the Gaura. Your specific system with this family that we refer to as the Taaj it has a specific cluster. And your belonging to is Sumafi/Zuli and the third is Uzool. This is a family of intent in the Gaura cluster.

Your aligning with is Sumari/Ilda/Tumold. We hope that his makes sense to your lovely self.

JIM: Yes it does. Very interesting. That's very interesting. Thank you very much.

KRIS: We seek to endear you to explore within your the specific flow within your idea-atmosphere, your subjective idea-atmosphere. You have most interesting adventures that you can learn from simply by becoming aware of them.

JIM: I have tapped into quite a few of those lately even in the like of Tesla that we talked about in our session together and it's been quite intriguing and interesting.

KRIS: Indeed. Now then, we take leave of all of your lovely subjective and objective selves and of all of your most ingenious ideas about yourselves, whatever those may be. Add those are for you to keep discovering. And have a pleasant feast.

ALL: Thank you Kris.

(Session ends at 9:30.)

There was some further discussion about the information Kris shared, "ingenious ideas about yourselves", and Norm mentioned that although he feels that it's simple, it's also so transitory that he has trouble grasping it. Paul remarked that this is why we are getting such a good map between Seth, Elias and Kris so that we can come to an understanding of all of this.

Paul mentioned that Ken Wilber's theory of the holon-centric Universe really explains this very well concerning subjective dream mediation and objective manifestation physics. He also mentioned the idea of everything as being nested multidimensional circles within circles and that there is a 'holonic' mathematics that may be useful in understanding these matters.

(Kris jumps back in at 9:32.)

KRIS: Nothing could keep us away from your lovely selves. (Laughter)

Now on the one hand you are correct in that it is simple but its simplicity underlying a very complex arrangement in a specific order. For instance, you think it is very simple. You go into the car dealer's place of business. You see a car. You buy the car. End of story. But there is background. There is an entire manufacturing process. There is an entire process of bringing the raw elements, the metals and everything else that will compose the car. There are the raw elements and the designs and the architectural and engineering of the place that builds and assembles the car parts. This is a massive endeavor.

That simple notion of creating a vehicle that will transport people, the car, has a massive industry behind it. Would you not agree?

(Yes)

And yet the original thoughts and concepts themselves occupy a totally different dimension that your reality has no way of measuring in any way, shape or form. You cannot determine the dimension of a thought, but the very principle using the same analogy of the automobile industry lets you understand that that is a translation of the concept of vehicular transportation which also applies to every other means of locomotion on your planet, at least mechanical industrial. Do you understand?

(Yes)

And yet the thoughts themselves the originated that industry occupy no space and may have barely, barely floated in someone's mind for a few seconds before it was grabbed and anchored and explored, and yet you will not find that thought in the brains of any of the individuals who originated the processes. So the thoughts of, the idea of the automobile and everything related to it are covered by a totally different set of physics. And it is possible to delve into those laws of physics, but as of yet your sciences do not have the means to explore such concepts.

ESTER: Can I ask a question?

KRIS: Indeed.

ESTER: Did you say that the idea of the modes of transportation, in this case a car, came to somebody different than the people who actually created the cars?

KRIS: We are saying that the concept is not new to your reality. Other realities have explored the concept in different and similar ways much before your reality. Other probabilities have yet to explore that concept. Other realities altogether are exploring the concept but without the use of fossil fuels. Yet the idea has touched the minds and the brains of numerous individuals in all of those probabilities, including your own. You translated the idea in a manner that would most suit your intent and beliefs and convictions at that time.

You can even say that the concepts within this idea-atmosphere have a velocity all of their own and travel through because they are living dynamic energies, travel through different realities. Now this gets very complex, but suffice it to say that what appears to be simple never is until you grok the principle and still that is one facet of the concept itself. Do you follow?

(Pause)

MARK: Ester? Get it?

ESTER: Yes.

NORM: Kris, can I interject a question. I’m dying to ask this question.

KRIS: Indeed. Do not die. (Laughter)

NORM: Emotionally only, the concept that we have different physics for the objective reality and the idea reality and the dream reality - Is that associated with the symmetry gauge system where we have in the subjective reality electromagnetism whereas in the SU2 gauge symmetry system you have magneto magnetism. In other words you have magnetic monopoles, which evidently can have an entirely different physics such that crystals can create direct magnetic monopoles and direct magnetic monopoles can create light. They can create the magneto magnetism, which is identical to electromagnetism but is created by the motion as magnetic monopoles. Does that make any sense?

KRIS: Indeed.

NORM: Indeed? Wow! (Laughter)

KRIS: That does not necessarily mean that it is 100% accurate.

NORM: Okay.

KRIS: You have the same units of consciousness in all stage, all nested in emergent stages, but they behavior differently according to the zone that they manifest within thus creating different physics pertinent to the zone even though they are the same units of consciousness. It's simply that they behave differently depending upon the intent of the zone, which is created by yourselves. So the intent really is primal, but intent does not mean willing or will power. They are two different things entirely. Do you understand?

NORM: Okay.

KRIS: And you are not necessarily always consciously aware of your intent. In physical reality you MAY, emphasis on the word 'may,' if you pay attention, you MAY become aware of your intent after the fact simply because a lack of noticing. But with cultivating the practice you can recognize your intent and again change and transform the path of your own awareness development, often avoiding unnecessarily difficult challenges simply to discover what your intent is. Do you follow?

NORM: Indeed.

KRIS: Now then my lovely electro-magnetronic units (Everyone cracks up), we will leave you to ponder the mysteries of the Universe as much as you ponder the mystery of being who you are for both are relevant and pertinent, and the answers are as close to you as your breath is. And with that breathe a sigh of relief and enjoy your week.

(Session ends at 9:45.)