KRIS: We thank you for your consideration and your kindnesses. And it is a pleasure once again to speak with the two of you.

DAWN: Thank you. It's a pleasure to talk with you as well.

KRIS: Now then it is our understanding that you have some questions.

DAWN: Yes. This time we're a little bit more organized Kris and have actually written some questions down because last time we were a little bit lost.

We were just talking to Serge about the essence name translations that you gave to us in our last session, and he was saying that you actually try and give one that has some kind of meaning of either a focus or....

KRIS: Indeed.

DAWN: I was just wondering if you would explain the ones that you did give to us.

KRIS: Your own of Jiddu as you have surmised is of Indian origin.

[Jiddu is Dawn’s Essence name given to her in a previous session with Kris.]

DAWN: I thought so.

KRIS: This particular expression of essence approximately the early 1500's, approximately. The time scale could even be the very late 1400's, early 1500's. This particular existence was significant because it also enabled you to experiment with a variation on enlightenment according to the dogmas and the writings of ancient Hindu saints. And you actually were a follower of one such saint.

It was a revolutionary concept of what this individual was preaching at the time. And we are not here speaking of a priest specifically or of someone whom smacks of religianity, but an individual who actually had understood a specific type of Tantra that enabled either himself or any of his disciples to participate joyfully in spiritual existence as opposed to many of those who try to sell you the kind of spiritual enlightenment that usually comes laden with gravity and somberness. Do you follow?

DAWN: I do.

KRIS: This individual's specific message was that one can enjoy life. One can be joyous, happy and demonstrate that with goodness of the heart without necessarily being one of those individuals who takes spirituality and enlightenment in a dogmatic fashion.

DAWN: Yeah. I actually have beliefs about that now. I feel that some people actually complicate it and make it much heavier than it needs to be.

KRIS: Indeed. There is no need to actually follow the path of denial when the denial only succeeds in making you poignantly and sometimes painfully aware that you are denying yourself when the soul or self CAN embrace all aspects of existence, since it creates them. Do you follow?

DAWN: Yes.

MARK: Including sexuality.

KRIS: Absolutely. And this is an enormous struggle especially for the Western mindset that sexuality, which does not specifically mean sexual intercourse, some people are of the idea that if you explore sexuality you will be fornicating at every street corner.

(Both laugh)

KRIS: Every second street corner would be sufficient.

(More laughter)

KRIS: The idea is that one can feel that rush of raw, erotic, sexual Eros, since it is the most powerful force in your Universe.

BOTH: Yes.

KRIS: And that does not entail fornication every five minutes.

DAWN: (Laughing) Definitely not.

KRIS: It would tend to sour the soup. In fact when there is an understanding of the nature of one's own sexual and spiritual origins, there can come to a point where there is sufficient fulfillment where the constant need for sexual satisfaction to compensate for soul satisfaction can actually be dissolved. Do you understand?

DAWN: I think so. Yeah.

KRIS: Many people fall into the patterns of sexual addiction because they are utilizing and substituting sex as fulfillment whilst in reality it only makes you painfully aware of that absence of self-love.

DAWN: Yes, yes. And when you're feeling that self-love and you do have sex, it's a totally different experience.

KRIS: Indeed, because then it reaches beyond the normally-established boundaries and mental taboos and emotional taboos and quickly reaches depths and heights of experiences that most people are not aware can truly exist. That is why many ancient practitioners of Tantra were actually able to attain union with the Divine because they did not deny and were aware Tantra means to even bring together all aspects of self, even the shadow side and to allow oneself to embrace all of existence.

Those who try and sell salvation, redemption and enlightenment through denial, which is the standard practice in most of the world religions, do so with great pain because one must constantly deny oneself ultimately.

DAWN: And that's not what our natural intention is to do.

KRIS: Indeed, the self's natural inclination is to embrace. Setting up resistances to the embracing of life in all of its aspects is actually contrary to inclinations of self. Therefore that automatically creates schisms, literally manufactured schizophrenia. We are not talking about clinical but manufactured schizophrenia. And this is evident in your practice. You see many such people.

DAWN: Yes.

KRIS: Now.

DAWN: That's very interesting.

MARK: That is really, really interesting because I know that, for instance when we had our last conversation that Dawn actually has gone through a process related to what we've been talking about and that her experiences of actually being able to connect to other focuses, other dimensions, has greatly increased when she is in that state.

KRIS: Indeed, because the resistances have been embraced and barriers that would normally be part of the ego construction no longer need to be evident. So the brain, the physical brain is being reprogrammed because the mental aspects have themselves been reprogrammed and the flow of energy can be far more tangible. When you get into that space or that zone then you are able to not rely specifically on and merely upon a few crumbs of extra sensory experiences but can actually peel back the layers of self and enjoy the very energy that exists in the formation of these other focuses. And that in itself only still represents one layer of a more immense body of consciousness.

Your own physical forms themselves are one field of energy that is extended throughout the parameters of time and space and incorporates these other expressions of essence. So you have in a certain fashion psychological bodies. You have more than one. You call them other focuses. That only gives you insight into still a small slice of the reality of essence.

DAWN: It's pretty awesome to think about.

KRIS: If you think this is awesome then continue expanding your awareness and notice that what you normally respond to as energy from essence is itself one of the many bodies of essence. Do you follow that?

MARK: It's interesting as well, Kris, because when I actually do focus and connect to not only my focuses but other focuses of other individuals that it is surprising, or maybe it's not surprising after what we just heard you saying, that I tend to connect to more of the sexual aspect of that focus and I always thought the reason for that was because the energy levels are much, much more heightened and so connecting to that type of connection is much easier to do.

KRIS: Indeed, it is one of the most vital forces in the Universe. Therefore it is much easier to ride that wave and to recognize it in others. And what we were saying moments ago can also be explored. You understand the principle that essence has many focuses, many expressions. Correct?

BOTH: Yes.

KRIS: Now then, what you recognize as your essence is itself one of many other expressions at that essence level. Therefore a source may indeed have many essences and each of these essences itself has many expressions. You call them focuses. So this creates an enormous matrix of wonderful, creative and magnificent energies, always in a state of flux, always moving because it is an action. It is never static. So that can give you more food for thought.

DAWN: Your explorations could go on forever.

MARK: Absolutely they will.

DAWN: Yes

KRIS: Indeed. And the word 'forever' is not doing the concept any justice whatsoever.

(Both laugh)

DAWN: That's an understatement.

KRIS: Try then again to stretch the boundaries of your imagination and imagine what you cannot yet imagine on this subject.

MARK: Yes, I really enjoy doing that.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: I do. I enjoy connecting. I enjoy being dispersed as well. I think it does help, but to me it's sort of like adds to the enjoyment of doing this. Quite incredible really.

KRIS: This is part of what you call waking up to the shift.

(Both laugh)

DAWN: We're just rubbing our eyes.

KRIS: Indeed. And as is often said, "Shift happens."

(Both laugh)

DAWN: I love that one.

KRIS: Now the other essence name, Sillar, we believe stems more from Persia, ancient Persian background. Around the Third Century of the Common Era here you were what we can only describe as an adept in the Schools of Mysteries, the Gnostics. You had students and every once in awhile your group would have to pick up camp and move often in the stealth of night because your group had started being persecuted by the more orthodox literalist Christian sects, even though you tried to show them that you understood where they were coming from.

[Sillar is Mark’s Essence name.]

Their specific literalist views as exist even today did not allow many of these persecutors to understand that there could be any interpretation to the Sacred Mysteries other than their version of. Do you follow?

MARK: Yes I do. I feel that I am connecting to that.

KRIS: This was both a wonderful time when you were able to see through the catharsis of your teachings you could see literally the transformation and the enlightenment of your students move from a literalist understanding of sacred mysteries into an understanding that, for instance, moving from an understanding that the Christ was a factual, historical person exactly as described in biblical writings to an understanding that in fact one does not realize the Christ by submitting to priestly interpretations of certain doctrines but instead one becomes a Christ just as one becomes a Buddha. Both words originate in ancient Sanskrit. They both are derived from the root "Krishta", and they both literally mean a state of awareness one becomes.

So it is more than simply following some rules and regulations and going to church on Sunday. One becomes a state of awareness.

MARK: Aware of yourself.

KRIS: In many of its various forms. That is a significant loss to your culture when such teachings were considered heresy and attempts were made to completely eradicate it off the face of the Earth. But slowly, consciousness can never be denied, and slowly this is coming back. Do you follow?

MARK: I do. Yes.

KRIS: This is again something to stretch the boundaries of your imagination that one actually becomes a state of awareness, becomes a field of enlightenments.

MARK: Ah, that's excellent. Thank you for that. I shall explore some more.

KRIS: Indeed, now we believe you have more questions. Please feel free.

DAWN: Yes, another thing we were very curious about was that in our history you know we have ancient tablets and texts that relate to Sumerian times and they talk about the Anunnaki and the Elohim and we were wondering if you would be able to sort of like put a spin on that whereas you could like explain it to us because it's difficult to understand exactly through the information we have whether they were actually in our dimension and connected to Earth or whether that is like a myth that is bleeding through from another dimension.

KRIS: Now we have in the past briefly explained that approximately four hundred million years from now into the past there was indeed a great war, a great battle of such proportion that it involved other planets. When this planet was sufficiently devastated and people left this planet, we are talking of civilizations way into your past that does not mean that they only knew how to carry around dinosaur bones. There have been many very sophisticated and evolved civilizations in your planet's history and there will be many more.

Now this one in particular people left to colonize Mars, but the war followed. When some people left to colonize Mars other groups continued and established colonies on what you now call The Dog Star, Sirius. Some would in time return to this planet. Their home had altered their physical appearances and especially the way they breathed atmosphere. So they had to don specific breathing apparatus, much like your spacemen have to put on spacesuits. Do you follow?

BOTH: Yes.

KRIS: In order to be able to come to the Earth, their ancestral home. The Anunnaki means "the ugly ones" because the suits they had to wear to permit them to communicate with other individuals on this planet had to have an aqueous environment, thus in many of the Anunnaki legends they are not specifically related only to ancient Sumeria. There are also depictions of the ancient Anunnaki in ancient China and in other parts of the world. Do you understand?

BOTH: Yes.

KRIS: Their suits made them look like fish, the head and chest of fish and the legs of men.

DAWN: Because they actually described Enki as like a fish creature.

KRIS: They could not breathe the same atmosphere as their ancestors did in ancient times on Earth. The descriptions also mention that most of them would retreat under the water. Correct?

MARK: Right.

KRIS: In many ancient African legends, many parts of ancient Africa, there are also descriptions of ancient fish gods who brought teaching, who brought metallurgy, who brought other sciences.

Another group that also came to your world long ago was called the Netjer, or also 'the dark ones', dark not in terms of mythology as you understand it now but their entire appearances were blackish. They were also another type of Anunnaki species and they also approached ancient cultures that evolved into what you now call the ancient Egyptians.

Many of the present day ancient Egyptians as described by Egyptologists were trying to make sense of the sciences and instruments left behind by these Netjer Anunnaki. Over time the sciences and the ways to use the instruments became lost. They forgot how thousands of years ago they could create electro-plating with batteries, though some of these instruments and implements have been found.

There is much to your ancient history that is denied you because it does not fit in with the model that hundreds of thousands of years ago your ancestors may have been almost baboon-like. This is a fallacy.

MARK: It is.

KRIS: Indeed. No human being is descended from a monkey. However, some may LOOK like they did.

(Both laugh)

KRIS: And some may BEHAVE like they did.

(Both laugh)

KRIS: But none actually did.

DAWN: How reassuring. (Laughs) That's fascinating. So these stories....we've just got little snippets that have come down through the ages.

KRIS: Indeed and they have often been distorted and it will take much time for many of these ancient myths and legends to divulge and reveal their roots. And it is interesting that there are some authors in this day and age who also have a knack to translate ancient texts but always giving it that Hollywood edge.

(Both laugh)

KRIS: Thinking it would sell better.

DAWN: Yes, exactly right.

MARK: This is actually very good because I know that when I’ve actually connected to focuses of mine and others at these various time frames that you've been talking about I feel that things are so different to what is actually written down. And it's validated again and when you actually look at our own history books for even like say World War II that there are so many distortions within these books.

KRIS: Indeed and there are many aspects of that World War I, World War II that your race may never discover. When there are political innuendoes, political agendas to be hidden, you get the disinformation. You get what the history makers think you should know.

MARK: Yes, exactly. History books are written by the victors.

KRIS: And in time they will become the vanquished. That is the pattern of history. There are always many sides to a coin to be experienced. Victories merely be one.

Now, there were other aspects to your Anunnaki question. Please continue.

DAWN: Well, one of the things was that I actually had a vision awhile ago where I actually saw myself with a huge serpent, and I actually, when I asked myself who that serpent was got the name Enki which I think we established with Elias is actually a focus of Baruch, Mark, and that at that time I was someone whose name translates as Ninhursag. I don't know how accurate the names are. And I'm just curious about those particular focuses of ours and how they relate to the stories.

KRIS: Now do understand that there is movement always from one dimension to another. There are many sightings of what you so commonly call UFOs, which are not machines, but individual consciousness that can travel between various dimensional fields. Each dimension will produce an image of that consciousness that may have nothing to do with the consciousness itself but it must have a translation to a certain degree when it comes through to this dimension.

Imagine if you will that you are knee deep in a beautiful creek. The water is pristine and cool along your legs and there are nice gentle pebbles under your feet and you see trout in the stream. But what you do not see is how the trout is able to see your feet. To the trout your feet may not look anything like your feet. Do you follow?

BOTH: Yes, yes. Very good analogy.

KRIS: Indeed, primarily because light is bent differently once it hits the water and your form is an energy pattern that it must translate to make sense to its trout mind. The similar effect does occur when consciousness from another dimension makes itself viewed in a way in your dimension on its way to another. So this dimension like many other is often used as a crossroads and you may see strange phenomena you may see an unidentified flying object that seems to appear and then disappear because it has now moved away from the field of physics pertaining to your dimension and can no longer be translated into your field. Does that make sense?

BOTH: Absolutely. Yes.

KRIS: So you do have certain perceptions and they are interpretations of energy either of Enki or of others. In their native environment they may be different, but do rest assured that beings from other dimensions are not necessarily interested in giving you the recipe for the best chicken soup as is often found with many people who communicate with such life forms, thinking that they would be there to save them.

We have always wondered why an intelligent life form from another star system would specifically want to give a focus the recipe for cleaner teeth. Do you understand? (Long pause) Do you follow?

MARK: I don't quite get the last bit.

KRIS: There are many people who claim to channel beings from other dimensions, but the information imparted amounts to no more than an intelligence of inordinate proportions giving you the recipe for white teeth.

(Both laugh)

MARK: Yes. Okay. I follow.

KRIS: That is an enormous amount of energy expended for such a simple task.

So do keep in mind that what you perceive are interpretations. It does not negate their validity, but there is always more behind the imagery.

MARK: I'm aware of that.

DAWN: And I suppose the more that you do it the more accomplished you become at interpreting what it is that you are presenting.....

KRIS: That is exactly what the key is. These are interpretations. Your whole physical dimension, even your physical body as energy field, is an interpretation. Everything is symbolic.

DAWN: Yes, imagery.

KRIS: Indeed.

DAWN: Well, we're very curious, Kris. (Laughs)

KRIS: Curiosity is the key to creativity. Without that then daily life becomes a series of burdensome activities. For when you can discover the joy of creation in a small petal of a flower or the mysteries of the Universe in a fennel seed or an acorn or in the twinkle of a child's eye, then indeed you are apt to discover those mysteries because you are curious about them. That is why children should always be encouraged to question as opposed to simply take the answers and shut up.

MARK: Yes, I totally agree with that and that's how we've actually brought our two children up and this has caused many conflicts with the schools because my son has been in trouble with the authority within the school system because he questions.

KRIS: Indeed, and the school system does not specifically encourage questioning unless it is totally related to accepting answers without question. The school system is not meant to educate and create genius but to create people who can recite books and lessons and do well on tests as a means of subjugating that inquisitive curious mind. That is all the educational system is for.

MARK: Programming people.

KRIS: Indeed, programming stupidity in them.

(Both laugh)

MARK: That's lovely!

KRIS: Now if this gets out we are in trouble with the teacher!

(Both laugh)

DAWN: That's okay. We are used to it.

MARK: Ah yes, I seem to be good at creating conflict with authorities.

KRIS: Please continue.

MARK: Have you got some more questions here Dawn?

DAWN: Yes. I was going to ask you for our essence information please, Kris.

KRIS: Indeed. What specifically would you like?

DAWN: The family alignments and belonging.

KRIS: Do you understand the differences that we perceive comparatively with Elias?

DAWN: Yes.

KRIS: Now some people wonder why we give what has now become known as the 'six-pack.'

(Both laugh)

DAWN: It seems like more in depth to me.

KRIS: The reason is in relation to primary, secondary, tertiary alignment and belonging to having to do with essence having more than one body.

Yours for instance Jiddu. Essence primary, Sumafi; secondary, Vold; tertiary, Milumet. Belonging to is very powerful.

Your alignment - primary, secondary, tertiary - Tumold/Sumari......

DAWN: So the belonging was the Tumold.

KRIS: Vold. This is aligning.

(Both laugh)

KRIS: Do you follow?

DAWN: I think so. I'll just listen to it again later.

KRIS: Indeed. And aligning tertiary - Gramada.

DAWN: That's a surprise one.

MARK: That fits in with the way you research and do all sorts of things.

DAWN: Well, that's given me a lot to think about. Thank you.

KRIS: Indeed, such explorations can help you understand even more of what essence body actually creates through these specifics of essence family intent. And there is no question that an individual's life can be tremendously enriched and you can even expand that information, enhancing the quality and the value of your life. That is what that kind of information is meant for. If one ONLY creates little clubs, little groups that admire their Sumafi-ness......

DAWN: (Laughs) I am sure it happens!

KRIS: Indeed. Then the purpose becomes diluted.

BOTH: Yes.

KRIS: There is nothing wrong with exploring the parameters of one's Sumafi-ness or Sumari-ness or however you want to pronounce it. Indeed it could be an enlightening experience on its own. But the purpose is to dig, to explore the archaeology of essence at that state of intent.

DAWN: Because of you just focus on the one it's very limiting. You're not actually allowing more exploration of yourself.

KRIS: Now there is always so much more to self, but many individuals merely limit their understanding to one or two things, and perhaps at that stage of their existence that is all they can manage. But once you reach a specific plateau, once you attain a specific level of momentum then we urge you. - Step over the line. Push that envelope. You will not break your mother's back if you step on the line.

But, you will break barriers. And sometimes those barriers may frighten because it brings about change and transformation. That is one thing human beings do not like and that is part of the ego construction, blueprint, to try and always maintain stability. But the nature of stability comes from and rests upon its transformative powers, always in a state of change.

DAWN: I just think it feels very natural to me to always question and be looking and going beyond what appears to be. You know, I always have this desire to go further and I think the more you do that the more comfortable you become with it and it becomes less scary and less frightening.

KRIS: Indeed, and one can always continue learning something.

DAWN: Oh God yes. I can't imagine there's ever enough time although that's an illusion, that you could ever NOT be discovering something new.

KRIS: Indeed, we have encountered many people who feel that once they have an inkling about one thing or another then they have learnt all there is, and yet they do not know how they manage to breathe from one moment to the next. They do not know how their body image keeps reproducing itself with atoms and molecules and cellular structures. They do not know how they think or know.

Even at the field of the body there is still so much. They do not know how they ever grew from being five years of age to twenty years of age and there are no schools that you can go to, to learn how to grow your body, or how to see, or how you think, though many will teach you WHAT to see and what to think. That is a completely different matter.

So you do all of these things naturally and spontaneously. That is the key to existence. Spontaneity IS transformation.

DAWN: Lovely.

KRIS: Indeed, now please feel free to continue.

DAWN: Okay. Would you give Mark's stats to him as well please?

KRIS: So Sillar wants his six-pack.

DAWN: His six-pack. Yes. (Both laugh) He'd love a six-pack.

KRIS: (Pause) Now you may or may not be familiar with the controversy we started concerning this tenth potential family of consciousness, but there is a link to that Dulvar intent, which is to bring balance and harmony, which is itself a tricky set of words. It is a double-edged sword at all levels. So primary belonging is Dulvar, secondary - Sumari, tertiary - Vold.

Aligning with primary - Vold, secondary - Milumet. Tertiary is actually a blend of two different families of consciousness. We will have to say a unique blend of Gramulet, Gramada/Milumet.

DAWN: Gramulet.

KRIS: It is not Granola.

(Both laugh)

KRIS: These are also worth studying and even expanding upon through your own intuitive channels.

DAWN: Okay. So Mark is there anything you'd like to ask?

MARK: Have you been through all the ones that you've got?

DAWN: Well, I've got one here. I was just curious if either of us or both of us actually do share focuses or lives with Kris?

KRIS: (Pause) Now the permutations of essence blendings are vast and rarely understood. But each of you have one essence body that is related to our own set of essence bodies. Do you understand the term 'essence bodies?' We spoke of this briefly a short while ago with you.

BOTH: Yes.

KRIS: One of them is common to you both and is part of our own essence bodies. That particular essence intonation can be pronounced MEESUL.

DAWN: That's really interesting.

KRIS: Through that connection there have been some challenging physical focuses, challenging in that they were not always the kinds of existences where you lead a charmed and pristine life but one where often the boundaries of authority are tested. It is no mystery why your own children have a trait that you carry as well.

MARK: Oh dear. (Both laugh) I think we recognize this.

KRIS: Now, bucking the authorities and the system is not necessarily a bad thing for it asserts a certain kind of authority in selfhood. That is an experimentation to see just how much of the boundaries can be pushed, testing much like the child, the teenager tests parental boundaries before they are grounded. This can also be found in many living situations and this particular existence we have described one physical _expression of our own in the 1700's in the Caribbean what we were once called a swashbuckler, a good old-fashioned pirate. And you were part of the crew. We were not necessarily bad pirates, but we did engage in piracy. It was a method of expressing an entirely fierce autonomy, no one to be accountable to.

Mind you there are always conflicts in those types of lives and such lives are created to enable the contrast and the challenges to be that much more amplified and magnificent from one extreme to the other. Many such lives are often used to create a sense of balance when certain other focuses are far too sedentary. Do you understand?

BOTH: Yes.

KRIS: It adds a vital juice to the whole creation. Now may we ask the time please?

DAWN: It's just after quarter past the hour.

KRIS: Indeed.

DAWN: Okay. Well, it's been a LOT of fun.

KRIS: Indeed. If you are of a mind, this session you may feel like transcribing it. It is up to you, but we believe there is information that could be useful to others in it.

MARK: We agree. We've always done that and we share. In fact Iona who you have interacted with as well has a website and we actually put the MP3 files there.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: People can download and listen to them there. We are not averse to people hearing what confessions we have had. We think it's good for everyone to share.

KRIS: Indeed and such a session can be transcribed and it might also be useful for others to read.

DAWN: I expect that will be my job then, Kris.

KRIS: Indeed. Then we thank you deeply for your consideration and kindnesses.

DAWN: We thank you.

KRIS: And we shall speak soon.

DAWN: Yes, very soon.

MARK: Very soon.

KRIS: Indeed.

DAWN: I had fun.

MARK: I need to talk to you more about NLP because this is an area that I feel that I’m moving towards in a very big way and I’ve been creating job situations which keep pushing me back toward the NLP area, so next time.....

KRIS: Indeed then dream well and sleep well.

BOTH: Thank you very much.