Channeled by Serge J. Grandbois
Transcribed by Marcy Singer (Arindel)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on April 18 2005
© Copyright 2005 Avion Rising Inc.

Roll Call in Toronto: Serge (Joseph), Mark (Philip), Myrna (Sharaleene), Marcy (Arindal)

Roll Call In New York: John

(Session begins at 7:39 pm.)

KRIS: Now we thank you for being brave enough to want to listen to our voice again.

MYRNA: Always.

MARCY: Wouldn't miss it for the world.

KRIS: And welcome for you as well.

MARK: That's for you John.

JOHN: Thanks.

KRIS: (Pause) We are hoping that last night's discussion did not go over your heads too much. (Referring to Norm Farb’s private session.)

MARCY: Only an inch or two. (Laughter)

MARK: If anything it has inspired us to think more.

MARCY: And argue on the bus! (Laughter)

KRIS: There was much information transmitted in between the words, the syllables and their representations. That is something to always take into consideration. When you hear and read of this type of material one of its main intents is not for the reader or the listener to consider this information as an absolute truth or the epitome of knowledge. The information represents facets of truth. It creates imagery that becomes significant but only at those deeper layers of awareness and to latch on to the surface most impressions may end up being somewhat misleading. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

And this can be applied to the material from other melodious voices past, present and future. They are much like tracks that you would follow in the wilderness in the hopes of catching your supper. (Laughter)

They also are like a map that may lead you either to a treasure or to a destination, but they are not in themselves and of themselves the immediate treasure. Although the words may contain gems on their own, they are not the treasure chest. They are not the destination. So between Point A and the destination you might find many landmarks and areas within nature of great beauty. Do you follow?

(Yes)

But the words are not in and of themselves the treasure that this is pointing out to you. They are indications. The treasures arise out of and from within your own consciousness. That is the destination. You are the destination and the truth that these things point towards. Does that also make sense?

(Yes)

Thus to use the words as defining the truth defeats the purpose, the individual looking for his or her truth may indeed latch on because they as of yet are not necessarily in need of discovering the authority of their own self and have need for a representation external to self in that sense of the word. Does that make sense to you?

(Yes)

The words we use and say or of others can become reflections of self, but they do not represent nor are they self just like when you look in the mirror in reference to the exercises over the weekend, when you look in the mirror you know it is a reflection of you but not you at the same time. It represents you as does a picture or a portrait. And we are certain that were you to send your picture at a staff meeting instead of showing up your employer would have a different understanding. (Laughter)

So it is a matter of understanding where this is coming from and not become confused and DEMAND that our words or the words of any other melodious voice give you THE TRUTH. But we will give you the indications to find that truth. And if you listen well you will hear the echoes from deep within your beings resonate to the words. And it is our intent that you recognize that echo for it is your own voice, the voice you do not listen to that we speak for. Does that make some sense?

(Yes)

(Sirens are heard outside the window.)

KRIS: And our voice has nothing to do with the sirens. (Laughter)

And at the same time whether our voice or another's, it has to be couched within the context of your human experience. Only those who are willing to sacrifice their humanity would consider that such voices and such information be devoid of that dimension. It must exist within the context of your human dimension. Do you follow that?

(Yes)

Does that make sense to you?

So this is also important to keep in mind because the information, the words, the voice (pause) is your own. This is significant. (Pause)

Knowledge devoid of humanity is not knowledge for it does not give life. And your civilization as it stands presently especially in the Western world indeed relishes an inundation of information that amounts to a few bean hills of trivia, as if that type of information will fulfill you, as if having the low down on every detail and aspect of Paris Hilton's life will somehow or other educate and fulfill you. It may do so for a select few but not much more.

And this type of proliferation of material and information does not give life. You give yourselves life; therefore the words must reflect that life. This is also why over the last one hundred years material of this nature, information given through energy exchanges of one type or another has dramatically altered and has shown a deliberate evolution from heavily dressed in religious context slowly becoming undressed and revealing its impact and its importance, devoid of many of the ruffles. Do you follow?

(Yes)

And it will continue to do so as we have expressed in the recent past. And this information is not uniquely for the select few. It is collectively harvested, and some individuals may choose to not hear their own inner thoughts and processes and others will with each person exploring reality in a manner that fits their particular sets of convictions. There are many types of information given through these means and they are each varied within their context. They each reflect one surface of the whole. In other words and in so many other words they might all represent a particular decimal in the equation of pi.

(Everyone cracks up.) (This is an inside joke that stems from Norm Farb’s private session.)

We thought you might enjoy that one. (Laughter)

MARK: Indeed

MARCY: Totally

KRIS: Now we do not wish to get into heavy-duty material. Joseph's neurological processes have to recuperate from last night's discussions.

MARCY: So do Marcy's.

KRIS: Thus if you so desire we will simply ask if you have questions.

MARK: Not without getting technical!

MYRNA: I have a question Kris. I plan to have a private session with you very shortly. What just occurred to me is, well it didn't just occur to me. I had a conversation with my sister-in-law the other day. My brother's a Rabbi. And we were talking the other day and she was very upset about something. I'll make this very short. She was very upset about something and was describing someone in a customer service role and was going on and on and on and on about it which is so unlike her. But the language she was offering this young woman was wonderful. And she was saying to this young woman, 'I wish you had done this with me.' And the language was right from her heart. It was amazing.

And I said to her, 'you know, my experience of what Kris has been saying (she knows a little bit about you) is that the world, the planet has a number of us with broken hearts, and a lot of that is because we've been so involved with consumerism. And she said to me, 'perhaps this material could become part of the High Holiday sermons that they give in the New Year, the Jewish New Year which will come around in September.' And I thought, 'well........' That's very cool.

KRIS: Do we have to don the yarmulke? (Laughter)

MYRNA: Oh, thank you for that. No. (More laughter) So my question, I’m sure teased about that. And this sitting here listening to you about hearing my own voice, you being my own voice, and how much lately I have experienced a feeling of deep love from you but I also know from me.

KRIS: Indeed, we are reflecting what you have kept hidden behind the wounds in your heart.

MYRNA: So this is very interesting because I seem to be getting poorer and poorer financially, which is causing me some real stress here because I have some obligations I want to meet. I seem to be getting poorer and poorer financially as I let go of the armor and as I come into my joy, as I open my heart, as I refuse to take certain contracts because I am not joyous when I do that work, and I’m confused, no, I’m hurt by this and I don't know what to do.

KRIS: Now first of all the reason that many people have wounded hearts is not specifically because of consumerism but because of the attitudes surrounding it. It appears that consumerism is the cause, but in actuality consumerism is utilized to supplement deeper human values. Do you understand?

MYRNA: I do.

KRIS: And the root cause is specifically that individuals have forgotten their deeper nature. Once these roots, this nature is remembered then indeed comes a healing of the heart and the soil that nourishes those roots is the love that you feel from your heart. Does that make some sense in a poetic manner?

MYRNA: In a poetic manner.

KRIS: Indeed. Now, what you are reacting to is the gap that often shows itself between the time you leave one worldview behind and enter into another. But there is no need to actually suffer financially. Utilize those innate tools that you learned about this weekend. Utilize your own energies and those feelings you are developing specifically to entice the Universe to loosen its pocketbook.

MARK: Amen (Laughter)

MYRNA: Entice the Universe to loosen its pocketbook.

KRIS: This is a manner of speaking. But of course the Universe does not play favorites and say, 'I will open my purse for this one but not for that one.' But the attitudes are your Universe. Your perceptions are your Universe. They draw those oceans of thoughts to you. Do you understand?

MYRNA: Yes

KRIS: And with the love that you are beginning to tap into can be used, Balance and Harmony can be called upon to create a situation where you are not suffering financially, that the situation be rectified to meet your needs. And see this not only occurring but fulfilling you. New forms of contracts may come to you. New industries may reach you. Allow them to do so. Fighting off the ones you do not want does not bring the ones you want. Again a question of what you are concentrating upon. Does that make some sense?

That will bring results. It may not bring six-figure income overnight, but it will start bringing a change much like you sense the weather front is changing by the alteration in the barometric pressure which can be felt in a variety of ways even by a change of direction in the breeze. So we are painting pictures with words but your unconscious works with pictures. So see if there is a change in the direction of the wind.

MYRNA: Okay. That's happened actually. Thank you. There has been a change.

KRIS: So fan the breeze to intensify it. Be like the blacksmith who wants to create sufficient heat to melt the iron. He will work the bellows harder. Does that make sense?

Now it is up to you which shoe you will put on the horse.

MYRNA: Thank you.

KRIS: Do you have a question, listening ever so quietly on the telephone?

JOHN: Not that I can think of right now.

KRIS: (Speaking to Mark) Then perhaps we will suggest that somehow or other the means are found to have more private discussions for the simple fact that you have noticed the difference over the weekend and over last night and tonight. Having such sessions increases Joseph's capacities to open his awareness in different ways still from that which he uses to exchange with us. The nature and the directions of this psychological weather front will bring new weather patterns just as for you (Myrna) in your situation. This brings about many different kinds of benefits. But they can only be experienced by engaging in the process.

Now what is the time?

MARK: 8:07

KRIS: Perhaps we will give you a small break.

(Break begins at 8:07.)

Mark commented that at the end of the first segment Kris was suggesting that Mark and Serge have private sessions with him at least once a week. Mark said that he is looking forward to getting back to the walks with Kris as the weather improves. Mark commented that some of the best material comes from the walks that he and Serge take in the summer in the evening where Kris will pop in and impart information.

John asked about what Kris had related in the past about a planetary war, why were they fighting, etc. He remarked that he didn't understand why they would create such a conflict when they were supposedly so advanced and understanding of creating their own reality. Mark responded that the four planets Mars, Earth, Venus and Varuun were colonies of the original planet Rokar and may not have understood the original concepts as well. It was pointed out that according to Kris these peoples had advanced weapons of 'mantra' destruction.

Marcy mentioned that being technologically advanced does not necessarily go hand in hand with being spiritually advanced and that often people will latch onto a small piece of information and immediately turn it to non-beneficial uses.

Mark said that after the inter-planetary war there were a million years of peace and it was suggested that it would have taken a long time to balance that period of war.

Myrna asked if others got the impression that Serge was needing to rest after the weekend. Serge said that he did not necessarily feel tired or that he did not want to do the session. She also said that she had the sense that Kris was very insistent that we know that these are our own voices and she wondered why.

Marcy mentioned that what Kris was saying was going beyond those in the room.

(Kris returns at 8:14.)

KRIS: In that you are correct. Our material is not always directed specifically to your lovely selves but to other lovely selves that will indeed read these words. This is part of the individual's abilities to take responsibility for their creations instead of saying, 'this one said and that one said." This is similar to what is in the heart. When the heart is hurt the communications are often scrambled in exactly the same way you scramble eggs. It may somehow or other have the general consistency of the original, but it is scrambled. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

That is the extent of our culinary expertise. (Laughter)

MYRNA: What might be an example of that?

KRIS: When the heart is hurt, when there is a schism in the human personality, when there is no more balance in the individual's own duplicities then the individual abandons his own or her own sense of authority and the ability to determine one's life path and hands that over to apparent unseen forces. Not horses, forces. (Laughter) As if somehow or other the individual has to abandon himself or herself to the fates.

When there is eventual recognition of that condition then once again one's own power is returned because it is recognized as being rooted in the individual and not the other way around. The material is now the authority. The melodious voices and their words are not the authority. We ourselves and the words we use are the reflections of those truths that you do not listen for. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

When you recognize that you are truth, the truth that you seek, then we will consider that our purpose has been fulfilled. Then we find others who have forgotten their voice. Does that also make sense?

So in some manner we will always remind you of that truth and hopefully never let you forget that your lovely selves are the source of truth. Your religions, your sacred texts, your sciences, your technologies are facets of all of these truths. Even your physical forms are other types of facets of those eternal truths, but they are not the truth. Again the painting of the Mona Lisa is not the Mona Lisa. It is a painting. It is a portrayal, a facsimile of the original. Does that also make sense?

(Yes)

MYRNA: Yes. What has helped me know, and I don't mean a mental construct, know my eternalness or my vastness, my eternalness, hasn't been so much your words but the exercises that have been offered.

KRIS: Indeed

MYRNA: Yes

KRIS: Because these yogas are another means by which you recognize what the words are trying to wake in you.

MYRNA: Right. What I find, and this is as a teacher/trainer is in trying to digest the words mentally, in fact I’ve been pleased I don't even try anymore, I just let your voice go inside of me maybe when I’m sleeping. I’m very pleased about that. There is something, Kris, I’d like to suggest, a direction in your work that has impacted me more than the other melodious voices. And they've all been wonderful. And that is the exercises have taken me into that heroic dimension.

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: If there was a way to continue developing those exercises where someone like me who is always in her head gets out of my head, I think there's great opportunity there.

KRIS: Indeed, and the material and the yogas work in tandem, they work together. The words reach one layer of yourself and awareness of self, then trigger cascading effects within your own personality construct. Then the exercises reach another portion of the self and the brain and together you receive, you give yourself satori, enlightenment. One thing that should be mentioned is that enlightenment or satori is itself a process. You flicker in and out of, you step in and out of that state, and eventually you create a sufficient balance that it appears seamless. But even the most enlightened individual, according to classic definitions, still has to address to his or her humanity.

Those that deny their humanity, claiming a superior awareness, have only achieved one layer of satori. That is like seeing the lake and thinking that is sufficient. Now you know everything there is about the lake. But never once taking the time to dip your toe in the water or swim in it or investigate what is under the surface. Does that make some sense?

(Yes)

So doing exercises and letting the words flow both work in tandem. Does that make sense?

(Yes)

Indeed. Now as to this greater war, as Arindal has pointed out technological advancement is not a sign of enlightenment, neither is a chicken farmer who does not use technology necessarily more enlightened. He is perhaps more feathery. (Laughter) But nonetheless in the ancient myths in the Vedic literature there are many representations of advanced intelligent individuals who become characterized as demons, great beings that usually try to defile nature but at an unprecedented scale in a manner that all of the earth's resources in one way or another are their own, which is in your modern terms the epitome of greed, wanting to make certain that they are the only ones who have access to that which brings the betterment of life in material terms at the expense of everyone else, creating a huge imbalance in the structure, social or psychological.

Thus there is a collective set of Nine Sisters since they exist within each individual. They are part of the grid of perception in your dimension. Then collectively the rest generates balance and harmony through situations that you consider horrendous such as warfare and wholesale slaughter of human life. The individuals who engage in such processes may be unconscious of their decision to participate, but they too fall within the categories of the foundational belief structures. This enables specific life dramas, sometimes on an almost cosmic scale, sometimes on the scale of somebody's backyard, but nonetheless the systems are engaged.

This is part of the drama that exists within the very construction of physical reality and everything pertaining to it. This is an important distinction because there is the belief that an enlightened society must always behave in such and such a manner. Many people for instance keep searching for Atlantis because they believe they were of such an advanced stage that everything was hunky dory and pretty and beautiful, never a harsh word expressed, forgetting that the main story of Atlantis is of a war that destroyed the nation.

There are many individuals who have and had expressions in those realities, and they are here in some form or another, they have expressed themselves in this time in order to try and create a specific sense of balance. There are many individuals who perished in these interstellar wars that we have described who are also here. There are many individuals who participated in many of the wars in your own cultures; the First World War, the Second World War and so on, who have seen the worst of human behavior, who might like to offer other alternatives, and they exist and they can be acted upon. But until you let go of the beliefs that war is the only way to bring peace and until you stop believing that peace by peaceful means is for the weak, you will engage indeed the shadow side of duplicity. So it is something to consider for your present civilization. Does that make some sense to you?

(Yes)

MARK: So Varuun was destroyed out of greed in the control of the natural resources and trying to reconstruct that balance and harmony.

KRIS: Natural resources does not only mean mineral and vegetable. Human beings are also sometimes considered natural resources, enslavement and so on. Your own United States has experimented along those lines and there are still repercussions even though so many decades have now passed. There are some Muslim countries that keep such a practice, though it is not well known. There are other nations who still consider this as a viable means. But eventually your race will recognize that there are other means, alternatives to maintain your well being, even though this may take some time.

There are those who believe that by the coming of 2075 or so, that the shift of consciousness will now grind to a halt because everything is Utopia, everything will be in paradise like situations. And again the private personal beliefs of the individuals holding such notions are never examined because it appears as a matter of fact that this is what will happen. But this is not the case. Do you have other questions?

MARK: Why did the Earth survive?

KRIS: There were sufficiently aware individuals to prevent on this planet the disaster that was occurring on others. And not all of the individuals on these other planets perished as we have described. Many were also sufficiently aware and had foreknowledge of upcoming disasters and decided to leave. Some of those situations were not unlike the events that transpired when your peers discovered, we will rephrase that, found out that there was an entire continent they could occupy because the supposed savages were not using the land and its resources in an effective manner. This is a better description.

MARK: Indeed

KRIS: There was no discovery. Do you have other questions?

MARK: Yes, Varuun. The weapon of mantra destruction - did that come externally from the planet or was it from individuals on the planet?

KRIS: Moreso individuals on all of the planets involved. When such a mantra is unleashed devastation is not far behind, but if one is not quick enough to complete the ritual and the mantra and another mantra finds its target then you have double devastation.

MARK: Such as Varuun.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: Such as Mars, the planet's still there and Venus, the planet's still there.

KRIS: Indeed, this was an error in the human experience that many have chosen to bury and forget, not so much out of personal pain, grief and loss but out of a collective shame to have allowed situations to get out of hand to that degree. So it is perhaps not the only explanation, but it adds an explanation to the reason why so many in your culture have actually cultivated religious concerns deeply tied with personal shame, unworthiness, and a sense of being flawed.

MARK: That I understand.

MARCY: I guess for me what you said about the fact that the reason the Earth was not destroyed was that there were enough people here that were of sufficient awareness to prevent that sort of gives me hope. I mean I love my country but the present government does not represent my worldview, and sometimes I feel (pause) I don't want to say powerless because I don't feel powerless but I look around my country, the United States, and I say, 'what's happening here?' There are so many of us that DON'T buy into this power-over, this fear worldview, and so maybe we can have an influence, do it again.

KRIS: There is also on your part and on the part of other individuals that share similar thoughts, there is an understanding that even though the present U.S. government does not represent your views, there is sufficient interest to allow the system to explore its own possibilities and the potentials they have at hand because some of those possibilities, some of those potentials can indeed lead into areas that DO represent your worldview, so they exist side by side, but some are slightly eclipsed due to an over fixation upon the present administration's own failings in their own way. Does that make some sense?

MARCY: Yes, it sure does. That's part of the reason that I don't read the news because don't want it in my head because then I worry about it, and so it's better for me to just focus on my own thing, my own reality, doing what I can, being as happy as I can.

KRIS: Indeed, it is an appropriate approach. Does that make sense?

MARCY: Yes, thank you.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: Any questions John?

JOHN: No, I don't think so. Thanks though.

MARK: I mean regarding the war or something.

KRIS: There are also many probabilities where such paths were not followed. Different choices were made. Different perceptions engaged with different results and outcomes. These are also significant because those worldviews also exist side by side and your present reality, your present civilizations still are aware of those worldviews. Now we are speaking here of deeper layers of awareness, but the awareness exists and all probabilities are considered.

And though at times it appears that your country or another country is going to hell in a hand-basket, there are always collective decisions made to try and bring about a harmonious balance. This is not only at the level of the individual but at the level of the collective always, but it is more difficult to detect once one becomes immersed in the beliefs themselves, becomes lost to themselves and believes that they have no power or effectiveness, that of course Goliath will slay David.

What is the time?

MARK: 8:43

KRIS: Then perhaps we will give you another small break.

(Break begins at 8:43.)

Mark discussed further the idea of the mantra weapons and answered John's question about what Kris had said about how there was an impact from two different such mantra weapons which destroyed Varuun. Only one weapon was used on Mars and Venus and thus the planets themselves were not destroyed. He also commented that his perception was that there were probably some kind of protective mantras that could be utilized as well.

Serge said that the image he was getting was as if you were preparing to launch an atomic weapon and then someone launches one toward you, then both detonate and you receive the impact of both at once.

Marcy commented that it reminded her of a DVD she had that was a series of fractals set to the sound of many voices chanting OHM, how it becomes hypnotic, and on a large scale it seems reasonable that something like this, a mantra focused in intent by a large number of people who believed they could do so could in fact create such destruction.

The question was raised by Mark that if OHM is the creative mantra, is there an anti-OHM?

Marcy remarked that she believes that energy is basically neutral and its use depends upon the intent and how it is focused, such as how nuclear energy can either create electricity to power whole cities or by being used as a weapon can destroy those same cities. And so many even though we assume that the power of OHM is necessarily creative, perhaps that power could also be turned to destructive means.

Serge also reminded everyone that sometimes the opposite is true. Sometimes things that are developed for the military end up being beneficial for civilian life, the opposite of its intended use.

It was agreed that intention, motivation, and desire were the operative words in such situations.

John wondered about any danger that might be associated with the development of electro-magnetic trains and if that technology is investigated further people could discover that it was a way of creating sound energy and if that is in the near future.

Mark talked about the conversation the evening before between Kris and Norm Farb concerning other technologies, particularly one kind of machine using sound for healing purposes that is in the process of being developed. The sound is at a very low frequency and is inaudible to the human ear. Serge said that the sound works with the molecules. Marcy said that her impression was that the sound creates a resonance within the body and that creates a kind of response, a balance or an alignment of energies to facilitate healing of the cells, bringing them to a more optimal vibrational frequency.

John wondered how much danger there might be that such machines could eventually be developed into great weapons. Mark reminded everyone that Kris had said that those who were on those planets in the ancient past have incarnated here to create balance and harmony and perhaps prevent such things from happening.

Myrna said that she was going to ask Kris when he came back as to what is the prevalent intention on Earth at this point in time and how can we work with that intention? Mark came back with his understanding that consciousness is creating as many different probabilities as possible in order to explore how we create, and that even in the extreme there will be other probabilities of the other extreme.

(Kris returns at 8:52.)

KRIS: Though your question is most admirable and interesting, it should be remembered that your own intent is never at odds with the collective reality that you share. Never! Consciously you might be horrified about man's inhumanity to man, but the intent of your existence, the intent of your enlightenment and your discoveries about existence and satori, realizations of one kind or another still feed in within the context of the overall collective intent because you are part of that intent. It could not be otherwise. Your intent might be sufficient to help another focus away from and towards something that can alter their lives in a profound manner.

MYRNA: I certainly hope so.

KRIS: Indeed.

MARK: I see that. I understand that.

KRIS: It may take time.

MYRNA: It exhausted me for a long time.

KRIS: But there is no need for this any longer. To concern yourself with the intent of the rest can be far more than exhausting. It can kill you. Thus to concern yourself with recognizing the varieties of intent that you manifest, that adds to the collective and you both create a lovely dance. That's more of a flamenco, but still a lovely, powerful dance. Together you weave an entirely different tapestry.

MYRNA: Part of what I did for years......you mentioned something that resonated with me, is I used whatever I did in my professional work to help people remember their voice. You had used the expression tonight that people had forgotten their voice.

KRIS: Indeed.

MYRNA: So I used metrics and I do private consulting, but with that intention. And I was successful with a large number of people actually in some organizations. I got really exhausted.

KRIS: And then you felt the bottom fall out.

MYRNA: Yes, I did.

KRIS: Do you now understand why?

MYRNA: No, but it did fall out.

KRIS: But you expressed it this evening. You forgot YOUR voice amongst the clamor of the chorus. YOUR voice, as far as you are concerned, must ring clear and above all of the other voices because otherwise there is often a tendency to think that your voice might no longer be sufficient to help others remember theirs. So your voice has to be more powerful.

MYRNA: Well, now I know why I’m going to work with you privately.

KRIS: Indeed. Now does that mean that we have to provide Joseph with earplugs? (Laughter)

MYRNA: I don't think so. No, I’m no longer shouting. (More laughter) Or shrilling is probably more the point. (More laughter)

KRIS: Now what is the time?

MARK: 8:56

KRIS: Indeed. Now we suggest that we end our discussion with your lovely selves this evening. We hope that you have all remembered at least one note of your lovely voices and that you ponder what other kind of musicals and symphonies are hidden in the cells of your bodies and in the folds of your brains and in the neurons and synapses, and that you enjoy the discovery. Whether you have vocal cords or not is irrelevant. The voice that we speak of has nothing to do with vocal cords.

With that we leave you to ponder the mysteries of your compositions and may you enjoy being both the composer, the maestro, the orchestra, the instruments, and everything associated with it.

(Session ends at 8:56.)